Lets Talk About UNDERCUTTERS!!!!

[Fantasy9]

To be honest, you crafters are just too greedy. As I was leveling my black mage from 50 to 60 I was looking for gear since dungeons were being stingy with caster gear and as soon as I saw what you people were selling just normal quality for it was ridiculous. 300k+ for NQ gear is just highway robbery. Don't even get me started on the HQ versions which is what I was looking for. 500k+. I decided to not spend the gil and got by on mixed level gear. Not ideal, but better than spending an atrocious amount of gil on leveling gear.

[Velo_Vandore]

To be honest, you crafters are just too greedy. As I was leveling my black mage from 50 to 60 I was looking for gear since dungeons were being stingy with caster gear and as soon as I saw what you people were selling just normal quality for it was ridiculous. 300k+ for NQ gear is just highway robbery. Don't even get me started on the HQ versions which is what I was looking for. 500k+. I decided to not spend the gil and got by on mixed level gear. Not ideal, but better than spending an atrocious amount of gil on leveling gear.

Take a look at the recipie and the price of the materials (don't forget crystals), then calculate the profit. Especially where the person requires HQ mats (at least some) to HQ the item. It's often small or negative.

Also take a look at how much gil the crafter needs to gear up (unless they can craft their own and have abundant time to collect their own mats). It's millions of gil from 50-60 and there is little other option such as vendor gear / quest reward gear. On top of that the crafter needs to spend gil on mats for leve/provisioning hand ins, which return 0 profit, to actually level up. At least as battle class you can avoid the marketboard and just buy from vendor or get drops from dungeons. They need every gil they can get their hands on.

[Fantasy9]

Also take a look at how much gil the crafter needs to gear up (unless they can craft their own and have abundant time to collect their own mats). It's millions of gil from 50-60 and there is little other option such as vendor gear / quest reward gear. On top of that the crafter needs to spend gil on mats for leve/provisioning hand ins, which return 0 profit, to actually level up. At least as battle class you can avoid the marketboard and just buy from vendor or get drops from dungeons. They need every gil they can get their hands on.

That is no excuse. They are being greedy, plain and simple. When you can buy the NQ version for 45k, why would you sell the gear for 300k+ to not actually sell it.

[FallenArisen0990]

Death to the Market Board! Make everything dirty cheap!

[Aeyis]

To be honest, you crafters are just too greedy. As I was leveling my black mage from 50 to 60 I was looking for gear since dungeons were being stingy with caster gear and as soon as I saw what you people were selling just normal quality for it was ridiculous. 300k+ for NQ gear is just highway robbery. Don't even get me started on the HQ versions which is what I was looking for. 500k+. I decided to not spend the gil and got by on mixed level gear. Not ideal, but better than spending an atrocious amount of gil on leveling gear.

Funny thing it isnt crafters selling 50-60 DoW/DoM equipment...it is other DoW/DoM that are selling them. ''You crafters'' Indeed.

[Velo_Vandore]

That is no excuse. They are being greedy, plain and simple. When you can buy the NQ version for 45k, why would you sell the gear for 300k+ to not actually sell it.

Yes 300k is steep, i'll admit that. Though it will not stay at that price unless it's in very high demand (which i doubt considering that you can just buy NQ or get dungeon drop / quest reward gear). As the OP has pointed out people will always undercut where possible. Often I'll see an item selling for triple the price and go ahead trying to sell at a slightly lower price. By the next day I haven't, there are dozens of people undercutting me. In fact so many people try to do the same thing that there's then an abundance of the item and not enough buyers, so it'll end up selling for less than the cost of the mats. This'll be either because there are higher level crafters with all cross class abilites that can make the item from cheaper NQ mats, or the people selling gathered their own mats and don't realise they could have made more by selling the mats themselves, or that they want to just cut losses and not hold onto an item that's value is plummeting.

Let me re-itterate though that it costs millions of gil to level up a crafter (or a lot of time), and I don't see why you would then be concerned about the buyers pocket. It's not like anyone buying BLM gear for levelling is required to do so. They have alternatives to gear up (dungeon drops, quests, NQ vendor gear). It could easily be argued that the BLM is the greedy one for wanting crafters to voluntarily cut the price on an item that they could sell at a higher price, for no apparant reason other than to make some other player they have never met have overpowered gear with less effort.

Funny thing it isnt crafters selling 50-60 DoW/DoM equipment...it is other DoW/DoM that are selling them. ''You crafters'' Indeed.

Yeah that's true also. Alot of that gear will be the unwanted quest rewards players have obtained with their DoW/M, while progressing story quests. But again, I see no reason why they should not sell at as high a price as someone else is willing to pay. Nobody needs to be buying level50-60 DoW/M gear to level - except for CRAFTERS! lol

[AlphaSonic]

If I want to sell my items for 2000 and they are being sold for 4000. DEAL WITH IT. Who do you think you are? My items my rules.

[ElHeggunte]

If I want to sell my items for 2000 and they are being sold for 4000. DEAL WITH IT. Who do you think you are? My items my rules.

And if they're selling quickly at 4000 why on earth would you sell them for 2000?

[AlphaSonic]

And if they're selling quickly at 4000 why on earth would you sell them for 2000?

Because I can, they are useless and I don't need them.

[sirDarts]

*snip*

Yes, you are right. That's why everyone is allowed to sell for whatever they want.
If there are people who will buy it for the price, it's fine. If not, they will have to go down. Basic economy.

But the same is true for the other side of the coin. If I am selling something I just want to get rid of because I have no use for it (for example unwanted quest rewards), and I technically didn't spend anything to get it, there should be no problem at all for me to sell it "under value".

So yeah, everyone should stop crying.
Something is too expensive? Don't buy it, it will eventually go down if there is nobody buying it.
Someone is undercutting you with prices below the item's value? Their choice, they will either run out of stock if they are DoW/DoM, or just don't bother with the item if you can't farm the mats yourself.