Physick is too weak for lvl 60 casters?

[justinjarjar]

Really our equivalent to second wind is manawall/ward anyways, which scales with our hp (with people sitting around 11k hp that's a 2750 shield. Think of it as a preemptive heal, and we're actually in a better place than most other classes, especially since we don't have something like BfB). The comparison just doesn't exist.

Wait so you guys are already fine, why is this thread a thing then? (am i just being trolled?)

[Malevicton]

Wait so you guys are already fine, why is this thread a thing then?

My best guess? Because people want more than whatever they currently have, and will ignore relevant information to justify illogical and spontaneous desires.

[Saggo]

My best guess? Because people want more than whatever they currently have, and will ignore relevant information to justify illogical and spontaneous desires.

That sentiment would hold more weight if Physick/Cure hadn't been decent at 50 and losing worth at 60.

[Malevicton]

That sentiment would hold more weight if Physick/Cure hadn't been decent at 50 and losing worth at 60.

It really wasn't decent at 50, though. It's only ever really been decent for soloing, and since you usually sleep before healing when you're solo it doesn't really matter how powerful each heal is. You have time to spare. (also, I've said this in other posts, but people here are misquoting how much it heals for by over double, so I really don't think they're making an informed argument.)

The only remotely okay argument was for it to be useful to augment healers when they're having trouble, but the game is currently balanced around healers doing the healing. Making blm or smn able to step in there would be a balancing nightmare, and since it's not necessary anyways it's asking for the devs to go through that balancing nightmare just to make up for a situation that shouldn't happen anyways.

[Saggo]

It really wasn't decent at 50, though. It's only ever really been decent for soloing, and since you usually sleep before healing when you're solo it doesn't really matter how powerful each heal is. You have time to spare. (also, I've said this in other posts, but people here are misquoting how much it heals for by over double, so I really don't think they're making an informed argument.)

Well no. Burden is in the proof. All it takes is for one caster to legitimately save a run (dungeon, FATE, quest, or trial) at 50 and it's proven useful. There's a litany of evidence of people doing that, enough so that it can be called decent. Not all group content was Primal Extreme or Final Coil Something.

You also speak as if all casters are BLMs. Some of us play SMN, vis-a-vis, we usually don't cast sleep. There are pets, but they have to establish hate, that takes time. Physick is SMN's only useful defensive action, native or cross-class.

The only remotely okay argument was for it to be useful to augment healers when they're having trouble, but the game is currently balanced around healers doing the healing. Making blm or smn able to step in there would be a balancing nightmare, and since it's not necessary anyways it's asking for the devs to go through that balancing nightmare just to make up for a situation that shouldn't happen anyways.

Caster utility will always be good for a group, and as so many have pointed out, there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Calling balancing of a single healing spell on a caster is a nightmare is overly dramatic, and I don't feel like giving developers a free pass on that.

Why are you healing titan with physick? Heal it with sustain, the way the game is designed (a way that scales with hp btw).

Since Egi HP scaled slower than mob DPS, Sustain isn't sustainable, it's not even a stopgap. It's a lot more balanced to improve Physick's effect on pets than a buffing a HoT to keeping them alive what is basically indefinitely.

[Malevicton]

Well no. Burden is in the proof. All it takes is for one caster to legitimately save a run (dungeon, FATE, quest, or trial) at 50 and it's proven useful. There's a litany of evidence of people doing that, enough so that it can be called decent. Not all group content was Primal Extreme or Final Coil Something.

You also speak as if all casters are BLMs. Some of us play SMN, vis-a-vis, we usually don't cast sleep. There are pets, but they have to establish hate, that takes time. Physick is SMN's only useful defensive action, native or cross-class.


Caster utility will always be good for a group, and as so many have pointed out, there's no such thing as a perfect situation. Calling balancing of a single healing spell on a caster is a nightmare is overly dramatic, and I don't feel like giving developers a free pass on that.

There's also a litany of evidence that people are overestimating the impact of their heals and/or straight up lying about the potency. So. Yeah. You could rely on anecdotal evidence from here on the forums (lul) or you could look at the potency of the heal compared to incoming damage. It's not decent.

It would absolutely be a pain to balance, but whether it is or not it's entirely unnecessary to go through. There's no real demand for this in any content.

There is other content too, not only savage mode, you know?

And if you're often using physick in those other situations then either you seriously overestimate how much of an impact you're making, or your groups are absolutely awful (or both).

[Saggo]

There's also a litany of evidence that people are overestimating the impact of their heals and/or straight up lying about the potency. So. Yeah. You could rely on anecdotal evidence from here on the forums (lul) or you could look at the potency of the heal compared to incoming damage. It's not decent.

It would absolutely be a pain to balance, but whether it is or not it's entirely unnecessary to go through. There's no real demand for this in any content.

The potency is the same for everyone, it's MND vs damage, and caster MND was proportionally high enough at 50 for a lot of group content. It was fine.

It would absolutely be a pain to balance, but whether it is or not it's entirely unnecessary to go through. There's no real demand for this in any content.

A single spell, a pain? There's no real reason to keep it that way.