Are we not the most lackluster job in the game ?

[Khalithar]

I don't think pld needs a lot of buffs, maybe some QoL changes. I.E.

Clemency: Make it instant cast with a 2.5sec gcd, leave the high mana cost as is.

Divine Veil: Make it an instant shield rather than needing to have someone activate for us or let Clemency trigger it.

Sword Oath: Maybe have it give a small reduction in TP cost (5-10 tp at most) for our attacks.

Shelltron: I agree with Rad's idea above, make it a duration rather than the next attack only.

Royal Authority: Give it the enmity buff as well.

[GeekMatt]

I don't think pld needs a lot of buffs, maybe some QoL changes. I.E.

Clemency: Make it instant cast with a 2.5sec gcd, leave the high mana cost as is.

Divine Veil: Make it an instant shield rather than needing to have someone activate for us or let Clemency trigger it.

Sword Oath: Maybe have it give a small reduction in TP cost (5-10 tp at most) for our attacks.

Shelltron: I agree with Rad's idea above, make it a duration rather than the next attack only.

Royal Authority: Give it the enmity buff as well.

I feel like if we had all this, the other tanks would be obsolete.

[Khalithar]

I feel like if we had all this, the other tanks would be obsolete.

Which is definitely not the case. We'd be where we are now, best cooldowns, worst dps, but it would be a little more pleasant for the paladins.

[winsock]

I don't think pld needs a lot of buffs, maybe some QoL changes.

Clemency, Divine Veil, Sheltron: No, just because they would all be instant. You're proposals are major buffs. I mean, you're making clemency better than some healer cds.

Royal Authority: Wouldnt this take away some of the cool things about the class? I only say this because one of the cool parts about WAR is making sure you have enough aggro before moving to other combos. It makes you make a decision, which is a plus in class design IMO

Sword Oath: Perhaps. I dont really lean either way on that one.

[Launched]

I don't think pld needs a lot of buffs, maybe some QoL changes. I.E.

Clemency: Make it instant cast with a 2.5sec gcd, leave the high mana cost as is.

Divine Veil: Make it an instant shield rather than needing to have someone activate for us or let Clemency trigger it.

Sword Oath: Maybe have it give a small reduction in TP cost (5-10 tp at most) for our attacks.

Shelltron: I agree with Rad's idea above, make it a duration rather than the next attack only.

Royal Authority: Give it the enmity buff as well.

Those are not QoL changes. Those are some pretty big buffs. No, PLD is fine right now. Maybe a bit boring, but at least one of the jobs needs to be super accessible.

[Omskahn]

Maybe a bit boring, but at least one of the jobs needs to be super accessible.

This is precisely the reason I dropped my vendetta against the fundamentals of the job. I used to be a big advocate of changing around PLD systems, cuz they can be extremely straight forward, and essentially always the same - especially pre-HW.

But I switched my thinking, because as awesome as WAR was in terms of just the flexibility and synergy of the kit, PLD allowed others that didnt want all that jazz to be able to tank effectively. And since there were only 2 options for tanking...I just let it go.

PLD is supposed to be a low maintenance, high effectiveness tank I've come to believe. And even though I wish it wasn't I think it's better for the health of the game that it is.

[Freyyy]

Royal Authority: Give it the enmity buff as well.

No. Just no. Stop with this, just increase RoH's potency. Royal Authority should stay as it is. Storm's Eye, Storm's Path, Souleater and Delirium don't have enmity modifiers. Royal Authority comes from Savage Blade which already increases enmity. If you want to have less agro issues with PLD they just need to increase RoH's potency or enmity multiplier to make it equal to a Power Slash or Butcher's Block.

[mosaicex]

In my opinion, the only adjustments PLD really needs right now are increased enmity on Savage Blade and Rage of Halone. And perhaps change Sheltron's primary effect to the following:

Sheltron
Effect - Blocks all incoming attacks
Duration - 5 seconds
Recast - 30 seconds

So that boss auto-attacks don't immediately negate Sheltron before a potential tank buster.

This would be nice but I don't really see it happening. You have no idea no much it disappointed me when I popped Sheldtron in anticipation for Ravana's Blinding blade only for him to proc it millisecond with auto attack before the buster happened.

[NoctisShiva]

No perfect observation and I'm glad you read thoroughly with great points .Our stun is great but as DRK and WAR you're able to weave it in through combos and when it comes to raids our stun becomes obsolete, post T5 in any raid content I see no reason to stun vs avoiding aoe damage for more punishable attack.

I do like the Magic Damage cover I think that would be great !

actually you can stun the legs in A4 to reduce the dmg of the laser ^^ saw it often that someone took one of those little bombs and directly getting hit with the laser and die or barely survive; dont know about savage though if you can stun them or actually have to to survive ( maybe even severel targets ^^)

[Fue]

Well were currently running double war for alexander savage and its working very nicely. Its funny how fast things drop in A2 c: