Are we not the most lackluster job in the game ?

[ZhycranaDranix]

WAR- Stance dancing, high DPS , overall fun to play
DRK- From the little I have played the stance switching and manipulating and maintaining MP is fun , also having nice atts for MT
MNK- Chakras add a new twist to you guys , and the rotations have always been fun to mix and master
DRG- Blood Of Dragon , OP melee , best overall DPS in the game (debatable )
NIN- Ninjitsu , overall raid utility
SMN- AOE king , punishing caster (lol my former 2.0 self is laughing at this description)
BLM- Fun to play , new additions still make them a walking nuke
BRD- adding in WM has high dps potential and still able to be mobile and songs
MCH- Raid Utility , turrets
AST- Cards mechanic is pretty fun
SCH- Aether Stacks x Pet healing , healer with added dynamic
WHM- Overall raw healing is the best , Single target(Not mitigation but overall heals) and AOE



And then you have the PLD- High Defense ( o wait so does every other tank ) DoTs ( So Does every other tank) We can't even stance buff properly , our Sword Oath doesn't add DMG such as WARs and DRK. While all other jobs in this game has a case to be made against its peers , we literally don't. UNLESS you're just old and faithful such as myself.

For instance- You bring a WAR to the party you have high DPS, slashing Debuff with a tank still viable in all content <--- why wouldn't you bring this?

DRK- You have a Tank who can deal with Busters and still put out 800+ DPS, with half the effort of a PLD as a MT ! <---- why wouldn't you bring this? DRK feels like it literally gets an attack boost every 30 secs – 40 secs …Also DRK Arts

Literally all we have is a 2m Buff, and a RNG based defense. Little to no offensive fire power, and please stop pointing out we're tanks, I know this obviously but look at the other two and they bring defense + raid utility (INT Down / Slash Debuff) .....STR down is a ''raid utility'' yes but in the end it only benefits the PLD. I know some examples such as blinding blade , and certain cleaves that are split but come on the max you're saving is two people vs the raid.

PLD utilities:

Cover has like little to no use , I used this once on Faust when OT was getting pummeled , so I cover + HG .... but that’s like once in a blue moon usage other than that its a wasted slot.

Clemency- Unless you're an OT , you really won't even have time to use this on your self. Even before Plasma (AS1) its either between this or stone skin on yourself x sentinel and I'll take the SS any day , cause healers.

Divine Veil is Awesome ( we got something right woohoo ) still not enough to bring over a high uptime INT Debuff which over the course of the fight would outweigh the damage negated by this.

Shield Bash - Wut ? Also interrupts our rotation unlike the others who can weave

Our utility is laughable at best , any means to justify bringing us to a raid is a real reach , WE ARE VIABLE , I never said that , matter of a fact the first world clears have had PLDs. But why are we useful??

Skills and Abilities-

Nearly every move in a DRKs arsenal builds enmity or has a secondary effect , WAR too.
PLDs either have the option of STR down, DoT, or high Potency attack with not enmity build added … tf tf tf tf tf tf tf tf tf

One real move to weave in which is SwI ….. Woo, considering it loses pot with health then hey if I happen to get it of CD at around 60% health it’s a loss, if I wait to use it, it’s a loss -___- tf tf tf

Our two decent cool downs can be cross classed ….. Awareness and Convalesce …. Blah can’t spell
Not that they’re godly but the shit we get in return -___- is Blood Bath and the shitty defensive CD that WARs have. So our two decent CDs can already be taken by the other two tanks.

That leaves us with Sentinel (With reprisal and 30% CD, DRK has this) and WAR has IB plus massive health gain CDs that can compete. And Rampart (Wut) nice but other tanks have this too.

Bulwark is also reliant on RNG , decent when being attacked by multiple mobs and auto attacks,,, I think this is PLDs first win ! woo , but if you think Bulwark is a reason to bring a PLD then tf (WUT)

‘’But you guys have Hallow Ground the best CD in the game’’ and yeah after 10 secs we have nothing and 5 minutes on CD blah 8 min enrage timers tell us that this is a one and done , not that you should need it multiple times but it is hardly a factor when considering what tank to bring.

This is a whine thread, this is a boo hoo PLD thread, this is a we need help thread. Cause we do. Yes every job is viable even PLD, every job can make a case to be brought also ->>> Except PLD. I literally got kicked from a Savage group for being a PLD (i186 and knew all mechanics). We have little to no value.

SE help us , hell if you want us to be pure DEF , give us another Sentinel hell , make us worth a spot. Give Sword oath a raw Attack increase , Multi Cover option (this would be godly , cover x HG , on multiple people…… but would never be useful …. Maybe pvp but still lol). We suk we need improvements , yes I’m whining , yes I got gud but this job brings nothing to the table and is lack luster to play. It has no dynamic what so ever. Stance dancing as a PLD is so sluggish, doable hell yes, but sluggish. Look how stance dancing flows as a DRK and WAR. It just feels smoother.

[Ruination]

I don't.....but.....pld....huh?

[ZhycranaDranix]

I don't.....but.....pld....huh?

Yes the suggested make ups as of now are either WAR x WAR or DRK x WAR

[Eye_Gore]

We have little to no value, We suk we need improvements

All I picked out of all that was this. Speak for yourself.

[ZhycranaDranix]

All I picked out of all that was this. Speak for yourself.

Its my crying mechanism that other jobs use to get a boost . No but Seriously as stated we are viable , I just don't like we pretty much bring nothing to the table and other make ups are actually easier progressed than PLDs. Higher DPS with the same / better utility for the group. Higher DPS will being able to take the same damage is a plus any day. But to each's own I said I'm an old and faithful PLD as thats my justification for bringing us to raids , I just want some type of improvements even if minimal.

[Freyyy]

[Misha_Tameshigiri]

WAR utilities: IB can be up for pretty much every tank buster in the game, highest OT DPS, Slashing damage buff, flat damage out debuff, unga.

DRK utilities: Best CDs versus magic, worst versus physical. If a monk is in the party, DRK brings nothing else except DPS. It's the only tank punished for using its aggro combo and stacking VIT (Darkside ticks at all times, aggro combo is net MP loss, Living Dead requires max hp worth of heals in 10s)

PLD utilities: Stoneskin/Clemency/Divine Veil, STR debuff, best CDs versus physical, best panic button(HG), better against magic than DRK is versus phys, Cover, stun on the GCD, has a silence.
PLD is basically the "support" tank, like MCH/SMN/BRD are "support" DPS. It undeniably has the best utility of all the 3 tanks. Have you played any of them except DRK for 15 seconds? If you want to hit big(ger) numbers level another tank or play DPS.

[ZhycranaDranix]

WAR utilities: IB can be up for pretty much every tank buster in the game, highest OT DPS, Slashing damage buff, flat damage out debuff, unga.
DRK utilities: Best CDs versus magic, worst versus physical. If a monk is in the party, DRK brings nothing else except DPS. It's the only tank punished for using its aggro combo and stacking VIT (Darkside ticks at all times, aggro combo is net MP loss, Living Dead requires max hp worth of heals in 10s)

PLD utilities: Stoneskin/Clemency/Divine Veil, STR debuff, best CDs versus physical, best panic button(HG), better against magic than DRK is versus phys, Cover, stun on the GCD, has a silence.
PLD is basically the "support" tank, like MCH/SMN/BRD are "support" DPS. It undeniably has the best utility of all the 3 tanks. Have you played any of them except DRK for 15 seconds? If you want to hit big(ger) numbers level another tank or play DPS.

You're right ! 100 % I'm not knocking this but lets see what you pointed out. These are raid setting suggestions, sorry I feel I didn't iterate that better I do apologize but in raid settings:

Stoneskin- If any downtime a stoneskin can be applied to any tank , which is when PLDs use theirs
STR Debuff is great ! It isn't really support though, its more so a self help.
Clemency sees very little use in Raids or actual needing to use it period.
Divine Veil - I've stated that it was great
Stun becomes useless in raids, and even still the other tanks can use this off CD as just an extra attack.
I do main PLD, I want numbers on PLD like minimal changes to just some of our moves would be great we don't have to do 900 dps but just add something eh.

Are you suggesting PLD more of the ST than the MT ? And I've dabbled with WAR and slashing/damage debuff are still up over the STR debuff we bring. Just some QoL stuff I guess but still I know I can't be the only PLD out there that feels some sort of way. If so , so be it lol I still feel like if we were placing us in order PLD would be last in raid environments (bash me) but I'm starting to see this already. My static is even suggesting I level DRK.

But I do like that you guys are pointing stuff out rather than attacking me lol, its like you see what im saying but you have your points to prove as well : )

[Kallera]

I-is this a PLD thread asking for improvements? With its hallowed ground and shield and everything?

I've lost faith in the forums. This DRK needs a drink.

(Specifically, i feel pld has a lot easier time doing its job of taking damage than drk. A drk caught flatfooted just doesn't feel like a tank.)

[ZhycranaDranix]

I-is this a PLD thread asking for improvements? With its hallowed ground and shield and everything?

I've lost faith in the forums. This DRK needs a drink.

Oh I forgot we were a unanimous choice , and that you aren't allowed to speak for some QoL , didn't they just give the highest DPS in the game a buff ?
So please stop.

No enmity build outside of our tank stance , so in sword oath unless you're pumping full STR and your DPS isn't pulling 1200+ then you can pretty much count royal authority out.

This is a small QoL I ask for , Give Royal a enmity buff and I'd be happy. I can then alternate every 20 secs....do a Skill Speed build PLD and just blow away on DPS until I need to debuff again .... see is that hard