Astrologian "BUFFS"

[GideonHighmourn]

It is more of group negativity affecting perception then fact.

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

[Vlady]

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

How so? How can you factually calculate Synastry compared to shroud or light speed compared to mind? Both have their places. Synastry is far superior for double tank buster in A1 and light speed helios spam can nicely heal up a full group as well as medica spam. The other plus is the ability to have more freedom of movement to make your rounds to hit multiple spread out people or reposition yourself while dealing with an oh crap situation. You cannot factually prove scenarios when each job deals with each encounter seperately.

Right now Astrologian is in a good shape but if you want a potency buff to them then the shoe will be on the other foot. Our cards appear they will scale very well as our I level goes up. The astrologians nightly outnumbering scholars on my server speak a different picture hen the one you paint. But nice try though!

[GideonHighmourn]

Right now Astrologian is in a good shape but if you want to buff them anymore they will turn into mandatory then the shoe will be on the other foot. Our cards appear they will scale very well as our I level goes up. The astrologians nightly outnumbering scholars on my server speak a different picture hen the one you paint. But nice try though!

AST has three healing CDs (Lightspeed, Essential Dignity, and Synastry). WHM and SCH have so many more that are far less restrictive and situational. I don't need to go through and make a list of why or when.

And how is class popularity on your server relevant to class efficiency or balancing? You keep citing this as if it actually has any correlation on how AST performs; it doesn't, and it's not related at all the the conversation at hand.

I'm also not trying to "paint a picture" by using irrelevant data, strawman arguments, and false information like you are. I'm merely stating that it's not just a "perceived negativity due to opinion" as you stated it was.

[Miiu]

How so? How can you factually calculate Synastry compared to shroud or light speed compared to mind? Both have their places. Synastry is far superior for double tank buster in A1 and light speed helios spam can nicely heal up a full group as well as medica spam. The other plus is the ability to have more freedom of movement to make your rounds to hit multiple spread out people or reposition yourself while dealing with an oh crap situation. You cannot factually prove scenarios when each job deals with each encounter seperately.

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Oh please I can have the same effect as Synastry with my fairy. Sure fairy heals are not 50% of my physick casts or lustrate but it is not bound by a 120s cooldown. Add to that the abilties Eos provides to further optimize healing.
Lightspeed is objectively too weak to be behind a hefty 150 second cd. Especially because it provides no real value because in terms of spam healing you only have an instant cast for the first heal you throw out. All additional heals are bound by the GCD.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Oh please I can have the same effect as Synastry with my fairy. Sure fairy heals are not 50% of my physick casts or lustrate but it is not bound by a 120s cooldown. Add to that the further abilties Eos provides to further optimize healing.
Lightspeed is objectively too weak to be behind a hefty 150 second cd. Especially because it provides no real value because in terms of spam healing you only have an instant cast for the first heal you throw out. All additional heals are bound by the GCD.

Eos means no Selene tho. And vice versa. Also, fairy is there basically as a mp saving system. Adlo costs shittom of mana and there is no proc like Freecure. Without the fairy, the total hps of SCH would be stupidly low.

[Miiu]

Eos means no Selene tho. And vice versa. Also, fairy is there basically as a mp saving system. Adlo costs shittom of mana and there is no proc like Freecure. Without the fairy, the total hps of SCH would be stupidly low.

Sure but it doesn't make my point less true.

[tjw]

Eos means no Selene tho. And vice versa. Also, fairy is there basically as a mp saving system. Adlo costs shittom of mana and there is no proc like Freecure. Without the fairy, the total hps of SCH would be stupidly low.

That doesn't negate the fact that the faerie is a permanent Synastry, that can be placed on other people as well. Adlo costs a lot of mana yes. But their MP restoration is famous for being the best out of all the healers. Oh, no EOS you said? A Selene also means that a SCH has access to a guaranteed Expanded Arrow every minute. So the faerie atm is just permanent Synastry that can be re-targetted, along with additional buffs.

[Remilia_Nightfall]

That doesn't negate the fact that the faerie is a permanent Synastry, that can be placed on other people as well. Adlo costs a lot of mana yes. But their MP restoration is famous for being the best out of all the healers. Oh, no EOS you said? A Selene also means that a SCH has access to a guaranteed Expanded Arrow every minute. So the faerie atm is just permanent Synastry that can be re-targetted, along with additional buffs.

Please do not misunderstand. I agree that AST needs help. I was just debating the fact that most of SCH tools are mutually exclusive, and the fairy is ultimately a gimmick that delegates part of a SCH power to a pet, no different than a SMN.
MP restoration of SCH is the best, yes, but MP usage is also the worst, especially if you are to dps with Broil. Also, keep in mind that most of the useful tools are Aetherflow-bound. Want to dps? Sorry, no lustrates or indomitability for you.