Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Ayer2015]

I’m satisfied with the changes made thus far. Frankly I don’t understand the continued complaints. I can heal just fine on AST and have both WHM and SCH at 60 for comparison.

That said I hope CU and CO get further adjustments…. Personally I’d like to see CU completely reworked.

*** I think SE made a mistake making Noct sect in the first place. Having shields just creates an unnecessary point of comparison. AST should be it's own class not mini WHM or SCH. Scrap Noct sect and give us a useful CD skill.

[FaizeD]

Listen, all they need to do is give us more off GCD heals. That's it. Give us an Assize/Indomitability and another charge on ED. SCHs can lustrate all day, WHMs have Benediction and Tetra. Our mitigation game will still be balls, and we won't have Cure III or Div Seal/PoM or Asylum, or a Fairy healerbot. But hey, at least we would fulfill the basic requirements of raid healing. Everything else is just window dressing.

[Budi]

Just because it doesn't cost MP doesn't make it free. At least not going by the universal definition of the word "free". Don't claim I can't read just because you don't know the basic definition of a word.

And why does it matter? Well, it's not a huge deal. However you do misrepresent sch as being more powerful than it is by making a claim that it gets a free medica every 30 sec. Fact is it costs something, something that might be spent on other skills taking away your access to this "free medica".

Alright, last time I'm answering, if it doesn't stick now, it never will.

"Aetherflow gives you 3 free abilities." Free why? They cost no actual recourse (MP or Time). The aetherflow stacks are just an indication on how many free abilities you have left.
How you use them is totally up to you, saying that you might not always have aetherflow stacks to use the free medica every 30 seconds, doesn't change the fact that you have the option use it every 30 seconds if you chose to. AST does not even have that option, and that's what I was getting at, so your whole argument was pointless, thanks.

(Also note, that I never said that you are able to use all Aetherflow abilities endlessly.)

And lastly, just because it has something to do with your reading comprehension, In the english language there are words that have different meanings depending on the context, so if you actually had looked up the definition of free you would have found that "free" can also mean "not subject to a given condition", in this case, the ability is free of MP costs. Reading comprehension.

[Sidra]

If I say I will clean your house if you give me a blow job, is it a free house cleaning because it didn't cost you money?

Aetherflows are a finite resource just like MP - and one could actually make the case that due to their usefulness and scarcity, an ability that costs one is actually more expensive than something with a standard MP cost.

I will agree with you it's free of MP costs if you agree it's not free, then you all could get back to whatever it is you were discussing before.

[Galdous]

Listen, all they need to do is give us more off GCD heals. That's it. Give us an Assize/Indomitability and another charge on ED. SCHs can lustrate all day, WHMs have Benediction and Tetra. Our mitigation game will still be balls, and we won't have Cure III or Div Seal/PoM or Asylum, or a Fairy healerbot. But hey, at least we would fulfill the basic requirements of raid healing. Everything else is just window dressing.

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

[Kietsu]

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

And it has been universally agreed by parties that have cleared A1 and A2 with an Astrologian that bringing an Astrologian is a handicap.

[OpheliaHeartilly]

Astrologian has already healed A1 and A2. Not sure if you expect people to take you seriously.

I think you would be complaining a lot if your Bard dps toolkit lacked the abilities to keep it competitive with other dps classes. AST is not in a good place compared to the other two healers. I'm sure someone out there can clear savage with a thaumaturge in their party-- it doesn't make it a good choice though, nor does it mean thaumaturge is as capable as BLM. Anyone that says AST is a solid raid healer is flat out lying or has no idea what they are talking about. If AST performs so well, where are all the threads singing it's praises? Linking videos showing that the content was cleared with an AST doesn't prove it is fine. It proves the content was cleared with a group of competent raiders that worked well together, despite the glaring flaws of the AST design.

[Vlady]

And it has been universally agreed by parties that have cleared A1 and A2 with an Astrologian that bringing an Astrologian is a handicap.

Come on Balmung and I will introduce you to a static and uses and astrologian and doesnt act like she is a handicap so I am not sure it is as universal as you claim. It is more of group negativity affecting perception then fact. A1 seems tailor made for an astrologian when it syncs up Synastry with double tank buster quite nicely. If you have a white mage in your group go noc stance since our aspect noc is on par with lustrate and we can spam it more then 3 times every 60 seconds.

[GideonHighmourn]

It is more of group negativity affecting perception then fact.

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

[Vlady]

I'm fairly certain that it's quite factual that AST lacks healing cool downs compared to WHM/SCH, and brings far less DPS than WHM/SCH combo can.

Also, A. Benefic is far from equivalent/on-par with Lustrate; nice try, though!

How so? How can you factually calculate Synastry compared to shroud or light speed compared to mind? Both have their places. Synastry is far superior for double tank buster in A1 and light speed helios spam can nicely heal up a full group as well as medica spam. The other plus is the ability to have more freedom of movement to make your rounds to hit multiple spread out people or reposition yourself while dealing with an oh crap situation. You cannot factually prove scenarios when each job deals with each encounter seperately.

Right now Astrologian is in a good shape but if you want a potency buff to them then the shoe will be on the other foot. Our cards appear they will scale very well as our I level goes up. The astrologians nightly outnumbering scholars on my server speak a different picture hen the one you paint. But nice try though!