Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Viridiana]

Good to know that it's inaaccurate, thank you for telling me that.

I mean, the site itself tells you that.

This damage calculator is based on data obtained from Monk. It should be accurate for stat ranges of (20 ≤ WD ≤ 46), (300 ≤ STR ≤ 530), and (202 ≤ DTR ≤ 280).

Anything that isn't a MNK and that's past i90 is outside the scope of the data Valk gathered way back in Beta. The site hasn't even been updated since November 2013. Even when it was still current, the data points were off by anywhere from 1.5 to 5 points, and if you notice, there's no correction listed for NIN because NIN didn't exist yet. Plus it clearly hasn't been updated for the massive damage formula overhaul that happened in 3.0. . .

But you can chill with the insults (you're crazy, etc.). I've done nothing to you and certainly don't think I've done anything to warrant your kind of aggressive response. If I did, please explain because I certainly didn't mean it.

Sorry that came off as insulting.

And I was basing my judgement on the fact that with the gear I have now it seems like the (unupgraded) Eso chest seems to be basically a downgrade at any level compared to the other options available, including never buying it period. The only reason it looks like you would ever want to buy it is if you've exhausted all other options to get the ACC you need and still can't do it. And that's not really good. The Melee Cyclas back in the T5 days was the same, where the Fuma Koromo was actually better. And it had the same stats as the NIN Eso chest...ACC + SS.

Several things wrong with this. First, I seriously doubt you have accurate stat weights. From what I've seen, no one does yet, because there's no working damage formula for NIN (the one Dervy has for DRG is not accurate for NIN). And since there's no damage formula, there's also no working sim or even solver. Thus, no stat weights. That said, we can look at the DRG weights that have been posted to get an idea of what ours might look like. Basically, with the stats on gear now, DRG stat weights have all dropped down into the .1xx range to STR's 1.000. The highest they have posted is Crit at .162. While we obviously can't expect the NIN weights to be the same as the DRG weights, I would be very surprised if any of the NIN weights went as high as .200.

For Prototype Gordian to beat Antiquated Iga, you need 74 Det to beat 7 Dex and 60 SS. Or, as a formula:

74D > 7+60S
1D > .094 + .811S

Basically, if Skillspeed is worth even a .100 weight, Determination has to be a .175 weight in order to make up the difference. With the changes to stats in general and to Determination specifically, I doubt it's weighted that high.

Also, the Fuma Koromo is a bad example, since it was Crit/Det versus Acc/SS, while the gear you're talking about now is Acc/Det vs Acc/SS. And even if we dropped all the way down to the Asuran gear that actually is Crit/Det, you're still looking at needing an average rating of .182 split between the Crit and Det to make up 15 Dex and 6 Dex of SS.

Again, if that is incorrect and you have updated data I can look at to prove it, I would welcome it. I'd would actually love to be wrong about this. After all, I like the way the Eso chest looks and would enjoy being able to actually use it.

Unfortunately, hard data is in short supply because we've all been slacking on a proper NIN formula and simulator. All I can provide is what I provided above, which is what the weights would have to be to make it a downgrade, and why I think the actual weights do not meet those cutoff points.