Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[MiruWest]

Any 3m parses laying around? I'm only seeing 3:20 parses on youtube except for one that has the hive weapon, but i'm looking for one that has a Doman weapon.

Sorry bro dont think anyone did on vid with 180 weapon. Alot of reason is the 180 weapon doesnt matter when you can get a 190 weapon. Once ppl start getting Esoteric/A4 weapons Hive weapon want matter either.

[ShanaShirayuki]

Oh God, the Ninja Esoteric chest is terrible. I seriously think my i180 is a better return on damage dealt. The gloves, too.

Why does SE keep stacking Skill Speed, the worst stat in the game, on a class that already burns through TP faster than any melee DPS?

Yeah, the TP cost increase that came with the Poison tweaks isn't looking like much of a great idea if they were going to tweak SS to be better later on down the road in 3.0, then stack it on every piece of gear.

Makes you wonder if they're implementing balance practices from Riot. New shiny comes out, super strong, then gets nerfed little by little until it needs to be buffed again.

[Kuroyasha]

yea I wish the esoteric chest was better. It looks so damn good though D:

[AlphaDragoon]

yea I wish the esoteric chest was better. It looks so damn good though D:

It makes me sad that it looks so amazing yet I'll have to avoid buying it for a very long time due to how utterly terrible it is.

[Kuroyasha]

Any 3m parses laying around? I'm only seeing 3:20 parses on youtube except for one that has the hive weapon, but i'm looking for one that has a Doman weapon.

This was a pretty near-perfect run at i177. Does have Hive weap though. Maybe subtract around 30-40 for an i180 estimate

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f9Hu4hY6fI

[Alahra]

It makes me sad that it looks so amazing yet I'll have to avoid buying it for a very long time due to how utterly terrible it is.

I'm buying it first anyway. >.> I've been waiting for a good NIN-themed body for a long time. The AF/Relic body looked really awkward on females because of the superfluous muscle-patterns (a lot like the Noct Lorica did). But I'm also not raiding yet, so I can delay stat progression slightly for glamour.

[AlphaDragoon]

I'm buying it first anyway. >.> I've been waiting for a good NIN-themed body for a long time. The AF/Relic body looked really awkward on females because of the superfluous muscle-patterns (a lot like the Noct Lorica did). But I'm also not raiding yet, so I can delay stat progression slightly for glamour.

I wish I could do the same, but I'm pretty sure my static would be salty at me for buying a piece that's worse than upgraded Law gear simply for looks. XD

[Kuroyasha]

I wish I could do the same, but I'm pretty sure my static would be salty at me for buying a piece that's worse than upgraded Law gear simply for looks. XD

Be like "hey...hey....that vitality though"

[AlphaDragoon]

Man, that Esoteric chest is really garbage. From using the Dancing Mad calculator, buying the weapon over it is an increase in DPS even if you drop all Alex 190 accessories except the ring in order to meet the ACC cap for Savage. I tried building a set using the Eso chest and all the Alex accessories I could buy (which would also meet cap) and it still is worse.

SE, please realize Skill Speed sucks and stop stacking it on our gear.

[Viridiana]

Man, that Esoteric chest is really garbage. From using the Dancing Mad calculator, buying the weapon over it is an increase in DPS even if you drop all Alex 190 accessories except the ring in order to meet the ACC cap for Savage. I tried building a set using the Eso chest and all the Alex accessories I could buy (which would also meet cap) and it still is worse.

Please tell me you don't mean this calculator: http://valk.dancing-mad.com/calculat...ut-calculator/

It wasn't even horribly accurate in 2.0. It's even less accurate now.

Yes, the weapon is a better piece, but that's always true for every class. The only exception I've ever seen for that was i90 BRD. If you're complaining that it's trash because it doesn't beat the weapon, then everything is trash, always. Or, y'know, maybe you could just base it on stats compared to the other pieces that aren't the single best upgrade possible under every circumstance. Meanwhile, if you're comparing it to the i190 chest, you have to make up 7 DEX worth in secondary stats. If our 3.05 weights are anything at all similar to the DRG ones, that's not gonna happen. You would need close to a 70 secondary stat difference to make that happen. If you're comparing the i210 pieces, yes the Gordian is better. But if you really think that 15 DEX and 60 SS lose to 69 Crit and 46 Det in HW, you're crazy.