This patch dropped the ball hard

[Tuathaa]

Hearing companies like Bioware tell me to make an alt instead of playing my main because there were no raids and what was there was broken at release was idiotic

HW hasn't even been out a month yet and I am pretty f'n bored and am leveling alts and jobs.

[ZemusM]

HW hasn't even been out a month yet and I am pretty f'n bored and am leveling alts and jobs.

Thats your choice. You have ESO to grind, Alex Normal and Alex Savage, Bismark & Ravana Extreme. All of those alone for even a casual player takes a week to cap. I play 1 class and am having no issues of boredom because there are things to work on. Im sorry you feel different

[Fendred]

Thats your choice. You have ESO to grind, Alex Normal and Alex Savage, Bismark & Ravana Extreme. All of those alone for even a casual player takes a week to cap. I play 1 class and am having no issues of boredom because there are things to work on. Im sorry you feel different

It matters little what any individual player finds fun. If an option exists, players will make use of those options. Especially when players are encouraged to take those options from the start of the game. The base upon which the game is built is inspired by earlier Final Fantasy titles, but the top of the game is conceptually a variation of World of Warcraft. Both want to accomplish different things by the time the game comes to an end. Frankly, if Yoshida had the game he really wanted to produce it would have flopped because it would have torn every recognizable Final Fantasy mechanic from the game as it became a variation of World of Warcraft.

[Tuathaa]

Thats your choice. You have ESO to grind, Alex Normal and Alex Savage, Bismark & Ravana Extreme. All of those alone for even a casual player takes a week to cap. I play 1 class and am having no issues of boredom because there are things to work on. Im sorry you feel different

I am glad your having fun doing the exact same thing every day a couple of times a day. I personally get bored doing that which is why I dont. Once a game becomes a chore it is no longer fun for me.

[ZemusM]

I am glad your having fun doing the exact same thing every day a couple of times a day. I personally get bored doing that which is why I dont. Once a game becomes a chore it is no longer fun for me.

Again thats your choice. You simply don't like the game and its mechanics which means you probably shouldn't be playing it. Sometimes the truth needs to be heard. FFXIV is not going to make any gamechangers in design, but what it does it does well and allows for casual people to progress.

Sometimes a game just isn't for YOURSELF personally. There is nothing wrong with that. I hate WoW with a passion but I respect its popularity and would never trash it because i'm of a minority opinion on that game.

I love FFXIV and will continue to play it because I enjoy it. Sometimes it is that simple

[Tuathaa]

Again thats your choice. You simply don't like the game and its mechanics which means you probably shouldn't be playing it. Sometimes the truth needs to be heard.

First I suggest you read posts my original quote was in relation to a ther mmo telling you to level alts and how this one is basically saying the same thing due to lack of content.
The second quote was basically explaining why I feel this way.
Why is it all to common place for people to say "go play another mmo we don't want you here" whenever some one has a suggestion complaint problem or different play style. You sir might want to evaluate never posting on the forum again if that is your only suggestion or defence.

[ZemusM]

The second quote was basically explaining why I feel this way.
Why is it all to common place for people to say "go play another mmo we don't want you here" whenever some one has a suggestion complaint problem or different play style. You sir might want to evaluate never posting on the forum again if that is your only suggestion or defence.

Because YOU say there is NOTHING to do in THIS game. That is an outright lie. You just don't like it. There is a massive difference. You don't like grinding, MMO's are ALL grinding and that will never change because the nature of online games is to keep players playing behind lockouts to earn money. If you don't like that, then play a single player game like a Witcher 3 ect...

You have your opinion, but don't claim this game has NOTHING to do because you don't like MMO Mechanics

[Tuathaa]

Because YOU say there is NOTHING to do in THIS game. That is an outright lie.

Speaking of lying do you mind telling me exactly where I said there was nothing to do in this game? I will help you out NO WHERE. I said I was bored with the current end game and am leveling alts. Wait isn't that something to do?
At no point in time did I say I did not like mmo mechanics either I said running the
same dungeon over and over again is not for me maybe I would rather fish all day.

[Colt47]

First I suggest you read posts my original quote was in relation to a ther mmo telling you to level alts and how this one is basically saying the same thing due to lack of content.
The second quote was basically explaining why I feel this way.
Why is it all to common place for people to say "go play another mmo we don't want you here" whenever some one has a suggestion complaint problem or different play style. You sir might want to evaluate never posting on the forum again if that is your only suggestion or defence.

I agree with you Tuathaa that the choice to play a game or not is up to the individual and someone else saying someone should or shouldn't play a game is being a bit crass.

My Thoughts:

Truth is I'd like to see a system that can at least satisfy a nice middle core approach. Final Fantasy has been around for so long that many fans of the original classics are in the work world now, and really don't want to have to repeat dungeons over and over via roulette to get the best currency. If someone has two hours a night to do something, they aren't going to want to waste it on something like an old hat static dungeon they've seen a bajillion times, even if you pay them out the nose.

It's just, how do you argue with someone who has only ever been taught via previous games that harder raids always mean higher iLvL and that is the only legit way to get better gear?

[ZemusM]

It's just, how do you argue with someone who has only ever been taught via previous games that harder raids always mean higher iLvL and that is the only legit way to get better gear?

We understand your argument. The problem is that will NEVER change in an MMO of this type. FFXIV is already the most casual friendly MMO I have seen in years allowing everyone wether they only have 1hr a day or 10hrs a day progress at the same speed. If you can only spare an hour or 2 you can still raid in FFXIV and that is a massive change to the MMO system and why XIV has been a massive success!

I get you both are not into standard MMO mechanics but you ARE playing the wrong game. Being a final fantasy single player fan is irrellivent. Im a massive fan of those games too but they are totally different genres. You are looking for an MMO that is 100% geared toward your style. Guild Wars 2 is your MMO, you will LOVE that game because of how its story and Living story seasons work and gear doesn't matter.

This MMO however is 100% different and simply not for you.