I'm tired of hearing about bots

[SnowTiger]

people have a very skewed vision of what bots really are. Bots don't directly hurt anyone:FACT. It is up to the user to decide how the bot will be used.

Example: a user decides to use say....a crafting bot to make his own crystals that he needs for certain things. He is not going to sell these crystals. He is not directly hurting anyone.

Example 2: A user decides to use a bot to grind out 100 stacks of crystals/shards and only sells them. This person is directly hurting the economy by flooding the market.

point: User 1 made an appropriate decision. User 2 made a poor decision and this is the person that 99% of the game population sees all botters as.

Besides...all games have botters and they haven't gone away yet. There really isn't anything you can do other than make the game so incredibly bad that the "bad" botters don't even want to touch it.

That's a pretty idiotic thought imho. There are no 'good' botters and 'bad' botters... Just botters. It doesn't matter what you use it for, they provide a clearcut unfair advantage over legit players, and are against the terms of service. People who use bots should know better than to try to defend it... They know exactly what they're doing, and they know it's wrong, but they do it anyway. I'm sure most of them will get banned eventually once the ban waves start, as that's pretty much always how it goes with these games... But, of course, some won't, and there'll always be new bots right up until the day the servers go down for good.

Like, if you wanna stay neutral about them and just don't care if other people bot, good for you. But anyone who defends botting is either an idiot or, surprise, botting, lol. If you don't like the game enough to play it, and have to use a bot, you should just move on to some other game.

This game is different from other mmo's in that you're not supposed to cap everything in a week. That doesn't mean cap everything ASAP by any means necessary, i.e. botting... That means take your damn time, enjoy the game, and things will lvl gradually over time. Again, if you want instant gratification and quick easy leveling, there's plenty of other reward button games out there to pick from.

Anyways, personally, I hope SE doesn't ban the bots one at a time... Would be better to lull them into a false sense of security, and compile a nice big list of everyone who has used a bot... Then, like a week before the PS3 launch or big expansion/patch, permaban them all, lol. If you do it too soon, then they don't miss out on much, and will just buy another copy of the game and resume botting, and be capped again before the next patch.

[Sev]

Would be interesting to see what Yoshi has to say on this subject after his 'It's ok to cheat stance' regarding power levelling...

[Vackashken]

Would be interesting to see what Yoshi has to say on this subject after his 'It's ok to cheat stance' regarding power levelling...

Sadly thats good - yet demoralizing - point.

[Meepz]

That's a pretty idiotic thought imho. There are no 'good' botters and 'bad' botters... Just botters. It doesn't matter what you use it for, they provide a clearcut unfair advantage over legit players, and are against the terms of service. People who use bots should know better than to try to defend it... They know exactly what they're doing, and they know it's wrong, but they do it anyway. I'm sure most of them will get banned eventually once the ban waves start, as that's pretty much always how it goes with these games... But, of course, some won't, and there'll always be new bots right up until the day the servers go down for good.

Like, if you wanna stay neutral about them and just don't care if other people bot, good for you. But anyone who defends botting is either an idiot or, surprise, botting, lol. If you don't like the game enough to play it, and have to use a bot, you should just move on to some other game.

This game is different from other mmo's in that you're not supposed to cap everything in a week. That doesn't mean cap everything ASAP by any means necessary, i.e. botting... That means take your damn time, enjoy the game, and things will lvl gradually over time. Again, if you want instant gratification and quick easy leveling, there's plenty of other reward button games out there to pick from.

Anyways, personally, I hope SE doesn't ban the bots one at a time... Would be better to lull them into a false sense of security, and compile a nice big list of everyone who has used a bot... Then, like a week before the PS3 launch or big expansion/patch, permaban them all, lol. If you do it too soon, then they don't miss out on much, and will just buy another copy of the game and resume botting, and be capped again before the next patch.

Actually his point is dead on, his point wasnt idiotic either considering its the truth, your assumption that bots can 'Cap you in a week' is an interesting theory indeed, you could what, get a craft to 50? Big deal, people have botted across all games since the beginning of games, not even bots, im referring to cheating, Single player games to now MMOs, most gamers dont want to deal with staring at a screen forever for an objective they want to complete, so they bot to get it done faster. Is this right? No, but is it wrong? No, its a gamer's choice on how they wish to play a game. Even if it against ToS of the game people will always bot, bot makers will always make bots once their previous bots are found and disabled, this is even the reality of the 9 year old final fantasy XI at the moment, it will never change, threads like this are seriously old, over wrote, and ridiculous, if you are worried about RMT corrupting this game as it did FFXI during its beginning, remember this, RMT dont farm gil if you dont buy it~ Enough said, end of story, i.e. its the players fault for indulgeing in the easy way of getting things done, as i said earlier, its a gamers choice how they wish to experience a game.

[Rinsui]

No, but is it wrong? No, its a gamer's choice on how they wish to play a game.

Hello-o? Did your brain wake up already today?
This is not some off-line single-player puzzle game.
All players in a MMO are connected, so what the one does always
directly or indirectly affects the other.

[MariyaShidou]

That's a pretty idiotic thought imho. There are no 'good' botters and 'bad' botters... Just botters. It doesn't matter what you use it for, they provide a clearcut unfair advantage over legit players, and are against the terms of service. People who use bots should know better than to try to defend it... They know exactly what they're doing, and they know it's wrong, but they do it anyway. I'm sure most of them will get banned eventually once the ban waves start, as that's pretty much always how it goes with these games... But, of course, some won't, and there'll always be new bots right up until the day the servers go down for good.

Like, if you wanna stay neutral about them and just don't care if other people bot, good for you. But anyone who defends botting is either an idiot or, surprise, botting, lol. If you don't like the game enough to play it, and have to use a bot, you should just move on to some other game.

This game is different from other mmo's in that you're not supposed to cap everything in a week. That doesn't mean cap everything ASAP by any means necessary, i.e. botting... That means take your damn time, enjoy the game, and things will lvl gradually over time. Again, if you want instant gratification and quick easy leveling, there's plenty of other reward button games out there to pick from.

Anyways, personally, I hope SE doesn't ban the bots one at a time... Would be better to lull them into a false sense of security, and compile a nice big list of everyone who has used a bot... Then, like a week before the PS3 launch or big expansion/patch, permaban them all, lol. If you do it too soon, then they don't miss out on much, and will just buy another copy of the game and resume botting, and be capped again before the next patch.

There is no good gun nor bad gun, yet people still make and use guns.

[KaedrianLiang]

Depends on how botters use their cheated ranks, if they keep to themselves and rarely spend gil the impact as an individual botter is almost no consequence given the huge amount of obtainable gil straight from the environment. However take 100-200 bots that is a significant impact.

In the case of a fish bot, where they are most likely mass producing crystals to their ends. If they straight up sell every crystal they make because they dont craft, that has a huge impact on how much gil exchanges between players, this is making the most of being a cheater.

On the other hand a fish bot that keeps all their fish and crystals to use for their own crafting. Has a reduced impact on the way ffxiv exchanges work. However having an abundant source of crystals allows them to craft with one less supply restriction, allowing for more ranks faster. When there are more high ranked crafters, prices of goods generally go down. However we only see price drops on highly sought after items such as "final pieces" while rank 10-39 gear prices is higher than ever before (this is the problem with itemization with almost no level restrictions which is a whole different topic).

One could say the only way the relationship between crafters and combat classes is favorable because of botters. While it is depressing on an individual level, on the grand scale, "final piece" goods are only this cheap and in huge supply because of the effort of crafting bots and fish bots.

However bots are bad and must be purified with Ifrit's flame.

[Xmbei]

Someone said something about bots... so I am putting this right here !
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wnzlb...&feature=share
Next they will be farming us!

[Kirith]

There's really no two ways about it. If you ever used a bot you are a cheater and deserve to be banned, regardless of your reasons (rules of the game). If i cheat at poker but make sure i don't win too much it doesn't mean it's okay to cheat, it just means i'm good at cheating.

[Vackashken]

There's really no two ways about it. If you ever used a bot you are a cheater and deserve to be banned, regardless of your reasons (rules of the game). If i cheat at poker but make sure i don't win too much it doesn't mean it's okay to cheat, it just means i'm good at cheating.

Agreed 100%. People who try to come up with these middle ground and ludicrous justifications are ridiculous. Its pathetic how people come up with circumstances and run-around logic to make some kind of bizarre point to say its OK.