I'm tired of hearing about bots

[HiirNoivl]

Dubont: So you don't think the rules should be applied equally to all rule breakers? Sounds like you have a skewed idea of what rules are.

The only way to detect a botter is to send them a tell and see if they respond.

This is actually not the case.

If botters were instantly banned (which won't happen)

This is also not the case. See Rinsui's post.

I hope they wipe the servers of botters before the PS3 release.

[Dubont]

Dubont: So you don't think the rules should be applied equally to all rule breakers? Sounds like you have a skewed idea of what rules are.

read again what I said a few posts ago. It is against the ToS so I mind botters in FFXIV. In games that allow bots in regards to the ToS, I don't have a problem with it. BUT just because you don't favor something does not mean you should go around generalizing everyone into the same category. There are 2 types of botters and people still group them into the same category...just like migrant workers...

This is actually not the case.



This is also not the case. See Rinsui's post.

I hope they wipe the servers of botters before the PS3 release.

Yes, actually, it is the case. There is absolutely no way to detect bots in FFXIV without using a screen reader program which is 1) Illegal and 2) malware that will be flagged and deleted.

The only other way to detect a bot would be to use a file reader and see if any of the memlock files are attached to a hook...but I have yet to hear of anyone using hooks in 14...they were everywhere in 11.

[TheVedis]

Dubont: So you don't think the rules should be applied equally to all rule breakers? Sounds like you have a skewed idea of what rules are.



This is actually not the case.



This is also not the case. See Rinsui's post.

I hope they wipe the servers of botters before the PS3 release.

some bots are harder to detect by just watching compared to a tell
gather bots are by far the easiest to detect, they can easily watch someone run up to spots and use commands(and they are catchable the moment they try gathering at a spot that isnt there anymore)

combat bots are similar with their follow/adjust techniques

crafting is where it becomes questionable


personaly, i want all bots banned regardless

[Dubont]

some bots are harder to detect by just watching compared to a tell
gather bots are by far the easiest to detect, they can easily watch someone run up to spots and use commands(and they are catchable the moment they try gathering at a spot that isnt there anymore)

combat bots are similar with their follow/adjust techniques

crafting is where it becomes questionable


personaly, i want all bots banned regardless

ever heard of pixel bots? Almost all gathering bots are pixel bots. Undetectable without a screen reader.

[HiirNoivl]

There are 2 types of botters and people still group them into the same category...

Read the ToS and see how many types of botters it lists.

I hope that the task force really is doing their job and brings the hammer down on cheaters

[Dubont]

Read the ToS and see how many types of botters it lists.

I hope that the task force really is doing their job and brings the hammer down on cheaters

see...it is obvious that you are the group that lists all migrant workers are illegals that traffic drugs...not all migrants are the same just like not all botters are the same. The ToS says that botters (grouped into 1 category) is illegal. The US laws say that illegal migrant workers are illegal (grouped into 1 category). This, in itself, is wrong. Not everyone is the same. Not all botters are the same. Not all migrants are the same. Not all people are the same. Bots are wrong according to the ToS. Ok, fine, but not all of them deserve the harassment that this lame community gives them. "Burn botters!" "Hang the botters!" "Ban them and their IPs!" Wtf is this? Salem?

Again, SE can't do anything about these bots without 1) Making the game terrible or 2) Doing illegal things that will get the company shut down.

[HiirNoivl]

The ToS says that botters (grouped into 1 category) is illegal.

Exactly. And SE can enforce the rules because we agreed to them remember? And like you said, if you cheat and you're banned, who are you going to run to?

From the ToS: Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players.

End of story. If you don't like the fact that I agree with it, you can stop trying to paint me as racist against botters (lolwut?) and start wondering why SE is not being as strict as it claims to be.

[Dubont]

Exactly. And SE can enforce the rules because ywe agreed to them remember? And like you said, if you cheat and you're banned, who are you going to run to?

From the ToS: Using third party programs or tools in FINAL FANTASY XIV is strictly prohibited since they allow users to gain an unfair advantage over other players.

End of story. If you don't like the fact that I agree with it, you can stop trying to paint me as racist against botters (lolwut?) and start wondering why SE is not being as strict as it claims to be.

1) There are more important things that SE needs to focus on other than the butthurts that QQ about not being able to grind 24/7
2) There is nothing that SE can do to stop these bots because none of them use hook.dlls (At least to my knowledge)
3) the only real way to deal with botters (without destroying the game) is to use a screen reading program that scans the screen for any 3rd party software. This includes fraps, wegame, xsplit, etc. This would cut down the play base..by..A LOT. It is also extremely illegal.

Face it. Bots in FFXIV are not going anywhere. Your best bet is to just go with it...like I did...adapt and survive.

[Vackashken]

Face it. Bots in FFXIV are not going anywhere. Your best bet is to just go with it...like I did...adapt and survive.

Lol , did you serious say that?

[Dubont]

Lol , did you serious say that?

yes I just said that. Name 1 MMO that doesn't have a single bot in it.