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  1. 07-23-2015 06:06 PM
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    Gramul's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerad3993 View Post
    Quite frankly I prefer being called a pessimist, but whatever.

    What a nice dream though, it's worked so well for everyone against the CS, lol. I think I'll stick with reality until then.

    When the cash shop, along with mounts being gated to RAF, are completely removed, I'll believe it.
    All or nothing isn't a very feasible expectation.
    That's why I think alternative methods is a fair compromise.

    Quote Originally Posted by Laerad3993 View Post
    That just raises my question, again. If we speak out against it, will our voice matter? Do you really think Yoshi-P is in charge of these decisions? If he isn't, which he's not, in terms of what SE does financially, then why should or would those in charge care? If every 2nd or 3rd person to your 1 would be in favor of spending that money, what reason do any of them have to care what you think?
    I think that I've already lost if I don't at least stand up.

    Besides, it's not like we've never swayed their decisions before.
    Originally, dyes where going to have stat effects. The community put a stop to that real quick.
    Dyes have also removed 'realistic' the dulling effect they have on old 2.0 gear, so modern metallic armors don't lose their sheen when dyed.
    Hell, they even fixed a graphical issue with my hairstlyle even though I'm one of the few people to even use it.

    They do listen. They may not always compromise or follow through, but we don't know if we don't at least try.

    As for the rational approaches:
    - Constantly charging for high grade mounts with no alternative leads to uninvoled players. Those who look to reward based games would be encouraged to move on to cheaper MMO's as they have less reason to play here.
    - Giving players the opportunity to achieve a mount by other means encourages them to pursue it. The more they go after it, the more likely they are to break down and just buy it. The pursuit reinforces the want. The stronger the want, the more likely they'll spend the extra money.
    - In game goals enrich the wold and is strictly more content, which is far more effective in keeping subscriptions up more than weekly currency limits and cash shops.
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    Last edited by Gramul; 07-23-2015 at 06:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerad3993 View Post
    Quite frankly I prefer being called a pessimist, but whatever.

    What a nice dream though, it's worked so well for everyone against the CS, lol. I think I'll stick with reality until then.

    When the cash shop, along with mounts being gated to RAF, are completely removed, I'll believe it.
    Tell that to the people who stood up against slavery, or to the people who fought to stop the Holocaust when it looked like the war was lost. Things worked out for them and wouldn't have if they had your attitude!

    If you admit defeat, defeat is what you'll get. Not victory, not even compromise. Defeat. Opposition to the cash shop is probably the only reason it hasn't exploded into more than it is right now. But you do you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adire View Post
    Tell that to the people who stood up against slavery, or to the people who fought to stop the Holocaust when it looked like the war was lost. Things worked out for them and wouldn't have if they had your attitude!

    If you admit defeat, defeat is what you'll get. Not victory, not even compromise. Defeat. Opposition to the cash shop is probably the only reason it hasn't exploded into more than it is right now. But you do you!
    Really? your talking about slavery? when this was only about a games cash shop lolllll jeez
    I'm sure you also realize that content is pumped out every 3 months here and not like other MMOs around 6 months to a year
    That seems to slide by ppl lol wait until the day Yoshi P says it will take them 6 months for new stuff :P
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    Last edited by SakuraMidori; 07-24-2015 at 01:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SakuraMidori View Post
    Really? your talking about slavery? when this was only about a games cash shop lolllll jeez That seems to slide by ppl lol wait until the day Yoshi P says it will take them 6 months for new stuff :P
    I think you missed the point, but oh well.

    People against slavery stopped slavery because they were not defeatists like the person I responded to. I was not comparing slavery to the cash shop, only comparing it to the defeatist attitude taken on by the person I was responding to.

    Defeatism would have meant their struggle against slavery would have been lost, defeatism would mean our struggle against an invasive cash shop would be lost. Same concept.

    Also like how you ignored my other video game specific examples :P anything to please the sensationalists though, right?

    My point stands, please do not draw attention away from that by going off topic.
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    Last edited by Adire; 07-24-2015 at 09:49 AM.