New Mog Station Mounts

[Laerad3993]

Who said anything about scrapping? Maybe I'm not being clear.

I'm saying I'd rather win a griffin than fork over my cash for it. That's not an adventure. That's not a quest with a fabulous reward. That's a stale, grey, joyless transaction.

Then how would you have them implement it? So far, we've had multiple great mounts get gated via: 200k-1m MGP. Multiple RAF that costs as I stated previously more than double what it would to just buy it(if you don't have the friends), and at the beginning, ridiculous drop rates and fighting with 7 other players for a CHANCE at the mount.

Maybe people want to spend the money because the developers do a terrible job executing the ways of obtaining said things.

I mean, I love grinding and farming, but not the way they implemented Fenrir and the Adamantoise.

[SakuraMidori]

Who said anything about scrapping? Maybe I'm not being clear.

I'm saying I'd rather win a griffin than fork over my cash for it. That's not an adventure. That's not a quest with a fabulous reward. That's a stale, grey, joyless transaction.

SE is out to make cash like everyone in the world why is that so bad? no one here is asking for stuff that is game killing no one here is asking for everything to be paid for by a cash shop but if SE want's to toss something in it every now and then they can do so. And fans can ask for things yes? i mean everyone pays to play this game so just as some ppl in here say since they pay they don't want stuff in the shop others who pay as well can ask for things to be added.

[Shikiseki]

While I wouldn't like them to introduce Cash-shop exclusive mounts like Slepnir again, I'd welcome if they'd put in variants of mounts that are otherwise a chore to obtain such as the ADS, the Steeds and the Fenrir. (god damn that new fancy uniformish coat is gated behind PvP, would buy from CS xd)

[Colorful]

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I'm not Gramul but, the Primal mounts could have been handled based on achievement rewards on the number of clears (10-100?). Fenrir could have dropped from Snowcloak, Adamantoise possibly from completing a lot of guildhests. The GS was new though, they needed to give people reason to grind or enter the cactpot. Adamantoise can now be obtained in a matter of months just doing the mini cactpot with moderate luck (far less with great luck). I like Gramul's point, winning the roll on the Ifrit mount literally made my day, as opposed to paying close to 30 AUD which would left me with a feeling of regret after I stopped using it in a week or two.

[Gramul]

Then how would you have them implement it? So far, we've had multiple great mounts get gated via: 200k-1m MGP. Multiple RAF that costs as I stated previously more than double what it would to just buy it(if you don't have the friends), and at the beginning, ridiculous drop rates and fighting with 7 other players for a CHANCE at the mount.

Maybe people want to spend the money because the developers do a terrible job executing the ways of obtaining said things.

I mean, I love grinding and farming, but not the way they implemented Fenrir and the Adamantoise.

1. By having a straight money transaction as an option rather than a requirement, allowing for a heavy grind as an alternative. Because yes. I really would rather grind than pay 20 bucks for an immaterial chocobo replacement.
2. Adding actual interesting side quests where you unlock these mounts.
3. If you really must charge for extra in your P2P MMO with additional charges already sprinkled on top. Why not charge for mini expansion arcs with these mounts as the prize? It would certainly be far more worth the staggering cost.

In other words, not do a terrible job executing the ways of obtaining said things.

SE is out to make cash like everyone in the world why is that so bad? no one here is asking for stuff that is game killing no one here is asking for everything to be paid for by a cash shop but if SE want's to toss something in it every now and then they can do so. And fans can ask for things yes? i mean everyone pays to play this game so just as some ppl in here say since they pay they don't want stuff in the shop others who pay as well can ask for things to be added.

Because some people seem to be so eager to immediately hand over their wallets without question or hesitation. We're already being charged for this game. We're already being charged for the subscription. We're already being charged for extra retainers. We're already being charged for Name and Race changes. We're already being charged for expansion and their special edition upgrades. We're already being charged for server transfers. Why bow into more of that?

Like I said, if they must charge, they could at least make it interesting or have a heavy in game grind to achieve it. It's a videogame. I like to win things from playing videogames. I honestly don't care if they have a cash shop for the impatient, but at least have a remotely interesting in game option to achieve it.

You remember hen you unlocked some extra skins and costumes in old games right? Wasn't that fun? Wasn't that an interesting incentive to complete challenges? Why just replace that with a dull transaction?

[Kiara1]

Im sorry but, are you stupid?
We want to be able to obtain cool mounts in the game we dont want to pay even more money. They are already trying to milk us by not adding more inventory so we will bye their retainers and now you want to give these kind of people even more money?

[Adire]

SE is out to make cash like everyone in the world why is that so bad?

That's not bad. And if it's profitable, it's a legitimate reason to do it in a business perspective.

However, with everything added to the cash shop, that's one less thing they could have added to the game. One less thing to grind for, one less thing to get people into the game for, one less thing that encourages people to continue to subscribe to play for.

As more of these things are added, it becomes more nonsensical to keep the game as pay to play, because it ceases to have the benefits of being pay to play for customers. Why pay 20 dollars for a mount in FFXIV for example, and pay a sub fee, when you could pay 20 dollars for a mount in a F2P game and not have to pay a sub fee?

I've played many F2P games. Just about all of them have been very instant gratification oriented. FFXIV was my first subscription MMO, and I loved how you worked for everything in game. Real life financial inequality did not exist in FFXIV. Everything you saw in game could be earned. Then the cash shop was introduced. It was less invasive than F2P games, though it's been steadily increasing. First a mount and minions and old event items (which I don't really have a problem with), then marriage, then exclusive dyes.

That mount could have been a rare drop from the pretty pointless Odin trial. Reason to grind the trial, reason to play. Instead it's a cash shop mount. Instant gratification that requires no work and gives you no additional reason to play or subscribe longer. Small, but it adds up.

If it continues, the game will begin to look more like a F2P game without the benefits of a F2P game (i.e. no subscription fee). We should all know by now that F2P games see people come and go a lot and generally are iffy on success. This is partly because they're free, and partly because they are shallow in content and filled with encouragement to purchase from the cash shop. Instant gratification means less reason to actually play the game. In the long term, taking on F2P characteristics will hurt the game, which will hurt the income from it unless SE manages to attract enough huge spenders who stick around to offset the people who spend nothing. And with a large cash shop, trust me, they'd have more trouble justifying the subscription fee. Hard to sell a F2P-like cash shop AND a sub fee if it came to that.

That's why so many people oppose adding to the cash shop. It can quickly get out of control and puts the tried and true to be successful subscription fee/low cash shop content FFXIV setup at risk. Take it from someone who has played tons of F2P and B2P games.

[SakuraMidori]

Im sorry but, are you stupid?
We want to be able to obtain cool mounts in the game we dont want to pay even more money. They are already trying to milk us by not adding more inventory so we will bye their retainers and now you want to give these kind of people even more money?

Called anyone stupid just makes you look bad i mean really. Anyway SE can add more it be cool by me and if they don't idc it's really up to them but i'm done posting here since this threads just turning into some funny war about cash shop players vs players who hate cash shops all the op was asking was for a few more mounts. Since that one they added way back when hurt this game so bad

You remember hen you unlocked some extra skins and costumes in old games right? Wasn't that fun? Wasn't that an interesting incentive to complete challenges? Why just replace that with a dull transaction?

Yes i do i mean i unlock and earn everything in ff right now lol and id stop playing this game if they added i230 gear in the shop or lvl up buffs and stuff like that. But i trust the team that runs this game

[Gramul]

It doesn't matter who buys what, and what crackpot theories people want to cook up. If they want to make a profit, they will, and your incessant whining and ******** won't stop them.

Bleak as the deepest caverns of Pluto. Holy molly, I have never seen someone so eagerly a defeatist.

[Laerad3993]

Bleak as the deepest caverns of Pluto. Holy molly, I have never seen someone so eagerly a defeatist.

It's the truth, is it not? You really think they care what a fraction of their playerbase think, over turning a profit? If they did, would the cash shop even exist?