New Mog Station Mounts

[Jynx]

Then such friends are highly misguided because this is an MMO with a subscription fee so they will a) never have all the mounts, minions and vanity pieces because more will continually be added until the server shut down permanently.

That's kind of the whole point. They subscribe longer because of the incentive.

[HodgepodgeMcDodge]

Coeurl mount, 'game breaking' XP bonus cap, vanity minion.. Called 'collector's edition', slapped with an additional $10 charge, no one bats an eye.
Griffon mount, vanity hats, vanity minion... called 'collector's edition', slapped with additional $10 charge, no one bats an eye.

Put a mount with a price tag on a cash shop and everyone shits themselves.

[Naunet]

Too many people caring about how others spend their money. If SE really cared about whiney players feelings towards the cash shop and it needing to be removed, it wouldn't exist, period. You feel otherwise, please prove me wrong. I really want to hear that one.

No, I care about the ethics of business and the type of business model the companies I support utilize. I do not support double-dipping on in-game items. All of the non-service items in the cash shop could have easily been available through in-game content, but people like yourself and others in this thread have this illogical need to spend even more money than they have to in the misguided intention of "supporting" the company. All you're doing is making it easier for SE to charge more and more for stuff that should be included in the game.

Vanity is not extra. Costumes are not extra. Mounts and pets are not extra. These items are all content. These items are actually the motivation for play for a lot of people. For us, seeing those things go on a cash shop is as reprehensible as launch-day DLC.

It's the truth, is it not? You really think they care what a fraction of their playerbase think, over turning a profit? If they did, would the cash shop even exist?

Did you ever think that, just maybe, if no one actually bought anything from the cash shop... SE would have no reason to keep it?

What you and other people do with your money absolutely affects SE's decisions.

[Gallus]

So this is always the same thing:

People against a cash shop sustain that the devs use it exclusively to add content there that would've been free otherwise. My question is...why do you assume certain mounts or features would've even existed on the first place for free provided there wasn't a cash shop?

I would like to add, that in case people forgot, this game was on the verge of dying in 1.0. From a business standpoint, perhaps giving it up and making it F2P (exactly what happened with ESO) was the most wise option, yet they managed to make a brilliant comeback and pull the whole thing up somehow. I think they should at least be given some credit for that, and not be called straight money grubbers -.-, especially because they actually gave people a lot of reasons to think that they were passionate about their own game and projects and that it wasn't all about money (to the point they continued a complete failed project most companies would've probably abandoned when it started to sink like it did).

[Xystic]

Until we see a drastic drop in the amount of items we receive every major patch or a substantial increase in subscription dollars, we are getting what our subscription dollars were originally paying for.

The Cash shop has been around long enough and we continue to receive generally the same amount of cool items every patch as we did before the cash shop. The cash shop is to pay for the extra work they put outside our subscription dollars work. If I were to demand anyone of you to work harder for the same amount of pay, you wouldn't be very happy.

Once again, we haven't seen a drop in the amount of cool items we were receiving since 2.0.

[Kayote]

The funniest part about your statement is that is exactly what people said when companies started charging for name changes/realm changes. Everyone complained that it would ruin the game and they were quitting and blah blah blah. It's here, it's not going anywhere. If you don't like it, don't use it. Telling other people what they are allowed to ask for is rather rude.

What are you talking about? Been playing MMO's for years and never once have I seen any significant amount rage pointed at realm transfers or name changes. Not only are those NOT actual content which can still be done in game (rerolling), but its something that can be abused and have detrimental consequences on the game if its made into a free for all. There is a big different between charging for a realm transfers and holding on to the more impressive and unique pieces of developed content behind a paygate to milk players on top of their $15 a month.

[Naunet]

Until we see a drastic drop in the amount of items we receive every major patch or a substantial increase in subscription dollars, we are getting what our subscription dollars were originally paying for.

The Cash shop has been around long enough and we continue to receive generally the same amount of cool items every patch as we did before the cash shop. The cash shop is to pay for the extra work they put outside our subscription dollars work. If I were to demand anyone of you to work harder for the same amount of pay, you wouldn't be very happy.

If we haven't really seen any changes in the content or improvements we get in-game with patches... what is this "extra work" SE is doing? It's definitely not going towards better servers, which is the crux of so many of their problems, that's for sure.

Not calling foul until the problem has already gotten out of hand is also a really good way of ensuring it does get out of hand, by the way.

What are you talking about? Been playing MMO's for years and never once have I seen any significant amount rage pointed at realm transfers or name changes. Not only are those NOT actual content which can still be done in game (rerolling), but its something that can be abused and have detrimental consequences on the game if its made into a free for all. There is a big different between charging for a realm transfers and holding on to the more impressive and unique pieces of developed content behind a paygate to milk players on top of their $15 a month.

To be fair, server transfers being free is actually pretty common in MMOs. 4 out of the 5 past MMOs I played have free server transfers to no apparent detriment.

[Xystic]

If we haven't really seen any changes in the content or improvements we get in-game with patches... what is this "extra work" SE is doing?

I'm pretty sure since 2.0 to 2.55, the world changed drastically with just our subscription dollars. We saw not only continued story development from 2.0-2.55 but we also so changes in nearly most if not all aspects of the game. Not to mention we saw a large amount of data space aliquoted to the individual subscribers, personal housing/fc housing without an extra penny involved.

On a daily basis we have more people who want priority in development of glamour goods while at the same time we have more people who want free retainers for more data storage and than we have the raiders who want more content all under the same subscription price and than we have individuals like you who would like better servers.

See the problem? Everyone wants more at the same time but no one wants to pay.

4 out of the 5 past MMOs I played have free server transfers to no apparent detriment.

This isn't true at all. In my 20 years of MMO gaming, allowing people to transfer freely generates a ton of issues. Economy wise, player attitude wise and even game development wise.

[Naunet]

I'm pretty sure since 2.0 to 2.55, the world changed drastically with just our subscription dollars. We saw not only continued story development from 2.0-2.55 but we also so changes in nearly most if not all aspects of the game. Not to mention we saw a large amount of data space aliquoted to the individual subscribers, personal housing/fc housing without an extra penny involved.

On a daily basis we have more people who want priority in development of glamour goods while at the same time we have more people who want free retainers for more data storage and than we have the raiders who want more content all under the same subscription price and than we have individuals like you who would like better servers.

See the problem? Everyone wants more at the same time but no one wants to pay.

Absurd. We do pay - up to $15 per month.

The addition of new content is something we expect included with our subscription. That is NOT extra. That is what we should be getting. Housing, glamours, raids and dungeons - all of those things are standard additions and improvements to a game that we expect with our monthly subscription. So again - where is all that extra money going?

[Xystic]

Absurd. We do pay - up to $15 per month.

The addition of new content is something we expect included with our subscription. That is NOT extra. That is what we should be getting. Housing, glamours, raids and dungeons - all of those things are standard additions and improvements to a game that we expect with our monthly subscription. So again - where is all that extra money going?

You do realize that you answered your own question right?

I'm sure you also realize that content is pumped out every 3 months here and not like other MMOs around 6 months to a year...