Patch 3.05 up... NO DRK rework!

[Sir-Meliodas]

What, the guy wanted the job to be improved so I offered suggestions, that is all. Dark Knight is not meant to do as much damage as a Warrior or defend as well as a Paladin as it is a hybrid of Offensive tanking and Defensive tanking.

[Krr]

Dark Knight is not meant to do as much damage as a Warrior or defend as well as a Paladin as it is a hybrid of Offensive tanking and Defensive tanking.

This is wrong - the the stated tanking styles of the three tanks in the Letter From The Producer is warriors as having more MT damage, Paladins as having superior physical defense, and Dark Knights as having superior magical defense. It's also implied that their OT DPS should be comparable to Warrior's if someone is providing a slash debuff. Of course, right now, that's all DRK does when offtanking, if a Monk is present.

The big takeaway here is that MTing has a decent, if deeply fragile and tenuous balance between all three tanks, and OTing is so hilariously dominated by Warrior (despite obvious attempts to diversify it with DRK joining the game and paladin's new toys that can be used while OTing) due to their irreplacable extra utility and ridiculously good DPS.

[Ditto]

This is wrong - the the stated tanking styles of the three tanks in the Letter From The Producer is warriors as having more MT damage, Paladins as having superior physical defense, and Dark Knights as having superior magical defense. It's also implied that their OT DPS should be comparable to Warrior's if someone is providing a slash debuff. Of course, right now, that's all DRK does when offtanking, if a Monk is present.

The big takeaway here is that MTing has a decent, if deeply fragile and tenuous balance between all three tanks, and OTing is so hilariously dominated by Warrior (despite obvious attempts to diversify it with DRK joining the game and paladin's new toys that can be used while OTing) due to their irreplacable extra utility and ridiculously good DPS.

Or if you just don't need Delirium.

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Pld+Drk is just not a good setup.

It's either..

Pld+War
Drk+War
War+War (ALL the damage)

War = everything and more(inb4 pridewarriors come to defend their position), even trumping Paladins in the MT department with skilled IB usage and stance dancing, and are equivalent, if not better than Drk as MT in magic fights, with a Pld as the off tank. Pld SoO DPS is good, people need to stop undermining it. And then there's the support as OT they offer in Divine Veil, the only STR down in the game (If it's applicable for example with physical auto attacks), Cover (Same deal as STR down), and Clemency, which by the way when used on a Warrior MT, in defiance, has a 180% overall effectiveness (200% with Cov.), because Clemency is modified by Defiance. Meaning that is one HELL of a heal on the warrior (11k+ easily), and 50% of that returned to the Paladin. Throw Stoneskin in there too because Stoneskin is amazing when it's timed correctly.

Pld and War are simply in sync with one another so damn well, it'd be amazing if they were still the only 2 tanks. But Drk is in the mix now, and doesn't exactly make up in what you lose by replacing either of the two older tanks. They're the odd tank out, they don't synergize at all with anyone or anything other than a slashing resist debuff that they need in order to do anything close to the DPS a Warrior can do. They give you nothing in return for choosing one over a War or a Pld, and that is the main problem.

[Habien]

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This right here, this is what I struggle with a lot. The other tank in my static is a PLD, as a DRK, I bring next to nothing to the group. Bad enough that most of the time I just play my WAR unless it is stupid content. I think DRK is fine in the tanking area. It could use tweaks, but let's be realistic here, which job doesn't beside WAR? The problem is with the PLD/DRK combo...you have to measure yourself against Anything/WAR and you come up short, not even a little short, but a lot. DRK needs something to justify an OT position.

[Galgarion]

This right here, this is what I struggle with a lot. The other tank in my static is a PLD, as a DRK, I bring next to nothing to the group. Bad enough that most of the time I just play my WAR unless it is stupid content. I think DRK is fine in the tanking area. It could use tweaks, but let's be realistic here, which job doesn't beside WAR? The problem is with the PLD/DRK combo...you have to measure yourself against Anything/WAR and you come up short, not even a little short, but a lot. DRK needs something to justify an OT position.

I dunno, man. I'm watching these Alexander Savage clears with a dark Knight tank on youtube (both on and off tanking) and it just seems like while we're complaining about what DRKs can and can't do, other guys are just out there doing this shit and having fun. It's making me rethink my gloomier disposition.