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  1. #141
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    Eudyptes's Avatar
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    Summer Lebeau
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    Jenova
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    Monk Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    I think some of you folks are forgetting that Collective Unconscious and Celestial Opposition as well as Lightspeed are supposed to be situational spells.

    Not something used in a rotation.

    Not something used on CD.

    *Situational*.

    That's probably why they're not making them as awesome as you want them to be.
    No ones asking for CDs that you use on CD or in rotation. At all. We're asking for CDs to use when the situation becomes dire. Which we only have one of atm.

    Unless they plan on actually straight up adding more new skills to our class (which is extremely unlikely until a new xpac), they will need to make the few we do have be a lot less niche and a lot more "awesome".
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  2. #142
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    Danielle Leclair
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    Leviathan
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    Which what? Assuming MNK, which I don't play(nor have any interest in honestly).

    And comparing healer situational spells to any other role spells/abilities is stupid. Apples/oranges. IIRC, they outright stated they were going to be situational.
    Nah, one ilm punch is the exact same thing you just said.

    Not something used in a rotation.

    Not something used on CD.

    *Situational*.

    That's probably why they're not making them as awesome as you want them to be.
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  3. #143
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    Nektulos-Tuor's Avatar
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    Balmung
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    Arcanist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by lordparanoia View Post
    The Ewer ・Effect has been changed from MP cost reduction to MP refresh.
    ・Duration has been reduced from 20 to 15 seconds.
    - No Longer useful for Dark Knight.

    Nerfed. =9
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  4. #144
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    FaizeD's Avatar
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    Emil Lacroix
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Nadirah View Post
    What the actual hell? What does cross classing Cure have to do with Enhanced Benefic? If you're talking about replacing Benefic with Cure, only morons would cross class Cure and then not use Benefic at all.
    What the hell does cross-classing Cure have to do with anything ever? Oooo, a slightly less mana-efficient version of Benefic that has 21 more potency under Nocturnal. Be still my heart. When would you ever use this?
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  5. #145
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    RulerOfPotaoes's Avatar
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    Drafus Thicc'rod
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    Faerie
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    White Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    - No Longer useful for Dark Knight.

    Nerfed. =9
    How? It gives mp now lol something drk lacks. Buffed ewer is so gud on a low mp drk. I do hope u were jocking
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  6. #146
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    Nihility's Avatar
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    Tenebria Miku
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    Behemoth
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    Arcanist Lv 100
    Mixed feelings really

    lightspeed is definitely good, I've just been popping it for aoe healing for the mana efficiency. It's really good for that
    the changes to spread and shuffle are very welcome

    the ewer and spire changes are different. I guess refresh is pretty decent but it completely killed the dark knight ewer thing which was amazing and the new ewer is basically useless for dark knight
    the royal road change really ticks me off, ewer and spire were cards i looked forward to because the effects are great when needed and burning them was amazing for the double duration
    now they have the aoe effect which is definitely my least desired royal road and since the standard use is situational they have become really not great cards to see most of the time
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  7. #147
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    Emil Lacroix
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    Tonberry
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    White Mage Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes View Post
    How? It gives mp now lol something drk lacks. Buffed ewer is so gud on a low mp drk. I do hope u were jocking
    Refresh effects don't work on them when they're in Darkside stance, but cost reduction does.
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  8. #148
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    Rox Unlimited
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    Excalibur
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    Gunbreaker Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by RulerOfPotaoes View Post
    How? It gives mp now lol something drk lacks. Buffed ewer is so gud on a low mp drk. I do hope u were jocking
    If a DRK stays in Datkside all MP refreshing abilities are ignored. (Ewer and Mages Ballad) If they turn it off then the MP refresh is awsome for them.
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  9. #149
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    Mimiji Miji
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    Exodus
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    Dancer Lv 100
    I think all the buffs were a step in the right directions but didn't solve all the issues that needed to be fixed.
    Poor Nocturnal Sect is still lackluster compared to Diurnal Sect, they even buffed Diurnal's Collective Unconscious.
    Personally, I think they should just change Collective Unconscious into a something like Sacred Soil or Asylum, where you place it on a designated area. It would be so much more useful.

    Also, from a thematic perspective, I see why they changed Royal Road: Arrow and Spear both deal with time, so naturally their Royal Road effect should too.
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  10. #150
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    Raze Landale
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    Hyperion
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    Astrologian Lv 60
    Well, at about 1350~ a tick I can't deny collective unconscious packs a pretty nice punch. It's probably still niche because of the range, but at least it's really strong within that niche.

    If nothing else it'll keep the tank up on most trash packs with a. benefic. Free heals while you let your mana go up after spamming gravities. Or maybe you just don't want to push buttons. Because who wants to push buttons?

    On nocturnal, if nothing else weak shields don't seem to be overwriting stronger ones anymore.
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