Astrologian "BUFFS"

[Taranok]

Yeah, for Collective Unconscious to be a usably-strong ability, it has to be strong enough that it compensates for the fact that you lose access to all other abilities while you're using it. 200 potency is nowhere near strong enough to make up for that. I'd say the minimum for it to be a worthwhile skill would be somewhere in the 300 potency/tick range. At that level, it would be roughly equivalent to (a little weaker than) spamming Helios, except that you would be unable to dodge AoEs, and would be unable to give the tank extra healing if 300 potency/tick isn't enough to keep them alive.

I'd take it in a different direction. Namely, I'd, for example, throw a shield onto the Diurnal one, making it a 200 potency heal with a 100-200 potency shield or make it heal for more as time goes on, starting at 200 a tic and ending at, say, 500 or 800/tick potency. I'd heavily increase the range of it to probably close to double. For the Nocturnal one, either stack a shield on top of it, or stack some healing on top of it as well as the 10% mitigation. It has to compete with Sacred Soil, which has a much lower practical cooldown, is much larger, can be cast at range, and isn't channeled, so it has to have enough benefits to make it superior to that while still being channeled.

But just doing a simple "It now heals for more" is just....boring. I'd like to see the devs do something interesting with it, it just needs to be the absolute best ability to use when it is off GCD unless you are reserving it.

[ckc22]

It has to compete with Sacred Soil, which has a much lower practical cooldown, is much larger, can be cast at range, and isn't channeled, so it has to have enough benefits to make it superior to that while still being channeled.

But just doing a simple "It now heals for more" is just....boring. I'd like to see the devs do something interesting with it, it just needs to be the absolute best ability to use when it is off GCD unless you are reserving it.

And people act like I'm being crazy about the kind of stuff that gets posted here.

[Phenidate]

I think the point is that Noct CU and Sacred Soil are the same, but CU has a smaller radius and requires the healer to stop and do nothing. It has horrible negatives compared to Sacred Soil that can be cast at range, and SCH can follow up with a Succor to further shield party members from AOE damage if they wanted - because it's not channeled hey!

Whats the benefit for making CU so much more limited compared to Sacred Soil? The fact that it can regen OR shield means nothing when you can't stance dance either - besides which it's hardly a positive, just switching what spell it's comparable to.

So how is expecting noct CU to be better in someway compared to Sacred Soil crazy, given the above downsides to the spell?

[jojober]

And people act like I'm being crazy about the kind of stuff that gets posted here.

You left unbolded the important part of Taranok's statement .. in full context, (s)he is saying that to counter balance the fact that AST has to channel, thus unable to act, unable to move, it should have a better effect. The statement isn't just saying CU should be better, just that the positive should match the negative.

[DreamWeaver]

Has anybody brought an AST to Alex Savage?

I'm extremely curious on this job's performance in that.

There's a 30 second period where healing is very intensive in A1 (Raid AoE everybody 50% life, followed immediately with T13's Earthshaker-ish attack, followed immediately with stupid strong Tank Buster on both tanks, and during all this time, there's adds poking at your 4 DPS for 1~2k per auto attack.), and I'm very very curious whether an AST has the tools to weather this storm or not.

P/S : The above shit storm repeats itself every 90 seconds.

[Emonik]

Has anybody brought an AST to Alex Savage?

I'm extremely curious on this job's performance in that.

There's a 30 second period where healing is very intensive in A1 (Raid AoE everybody 50% life, followed immediately with T13's Earthshaker-ish attack, followed immediately with stupid strong Tank Buster on both tanks, and during all this time, there's adds poking at your 4 DPS for 1~2k per auto attack.), and I'm very very curious whether an AST has the tools to weather this storm or not.

P/S : The above shit storm repeats itself every 90 seconds.

Sure it's been done by an AST here and there, but the healing is teeth gritting tight, and the cards aren't going to save you. And everyone including the AST wishes there was a WHM/SCH duo healing at the moment.

[Parawill]

My group has around 5991 DPS average for Faust and I can't keep up both tanks with my fellow scholar. One major gripe I have at the moment is that Collective Unconscious is never on CD because I literally never have time to use it x_x 200 Potency heals vs. Benefic/Benefic II.

The new resource refresh (Ewer & Spire) is really nice though. Shuffle CD is quite nice too, but the fun Spire into Spire is still there. *tear*

edit: I'll go into detail with Faust later as I'm currently in as a WHM. Oppressor is fun \o/

edit: Post is here http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...stro-in-savage

[Remilia_Nightfall]

Well, my static is currently sporting SCH/AST. Admittedly, it is hard - and we have cleared T8 savage (albeit with WHM/SCH). Will see how we manage after we practice a bit.

[Troile]

I'm pretty confident that AST will be brought to where it needs to be. The unfortunate thing is that we have to wait. I think the issue with AST, and really with all the new jobs in Heavensward, is that they were designed with level 60 in mind...rather than with level 50 in mind with awesome buffs from 50-60. The difference in mindset can make a huge difference.

The other classes were designed to be complete at level 50, then when the cap was raised were given additional perks and skills to keep them viable/relevant/made more awesome. The new jobs were designed to be complete at level 60. So it's less "My cool job just got more awesome at level 60", and more "Now that i'm level 60 I can keep up".

At least this is the feeling I get. It will take some time, but hopefully AST and the other new jobs should be getting that awesome feeling in time.

[GarnetTribal]

I wouldn't mind seeing an overall 5-10% buff to the cards. That, and increase the potency on Benefic II and maybe increase the base potency on ED to 500 if it's on only emergency heal. As of right now, while I'm not into the 60 content with my AST, it feels like a free Benefic II. Meanwhile Scholars get 3 free 600 potency heal every minute.

Nocturnal sect could use to revamping. Definitely increase potency across the board. It's not worth using.