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    The first turns have always been pretty easy, the third and fourth should throw a spanner in the works for most groups. Just keep in mind that a lot of raid teams haven't made it past A1's trash yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miscreant View Post
    The first turns have always been pretty easy, the third and fourth should throw a spanner in the works for most groups. Just keep in mind that a lot of raid teams haven't made it past A1's trash yet.
    Should only be A1 being a little easier though... Otherwise they "waste" 2 floors that they could make a challenge.

    If Faust is killed just the same way he is in normal, he shouldn't be a problem, because it's basically just like DPSing a striking dummy
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    Quote Originally Posted by Craiger View Post
    If Faust is killed just the same way he is in normal, he shouldn't be a problem, because it's basically just like DPSing a striking dummy
    I've already seen parses where all 4 dps were hitting 1,000-1,200 on Faust and they hit enrage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Miscreant View Post
    I've already seen parses where all 4 dps were hitting 1,000-1,200 on Faust and they hit enrage.
    This is a great time to ask for an official parser again.

    Lately, with interest in our FC to do the raids properly (we're very casual bunch of working adults and varsity student types), I started to parse our FC members because I know our dps suck. What I saw wasn't suck. It was abysmal. In our BismarckEX tries I as PLD full VIT (our healers like it more) was doing only 500dps yet ranked 3rd in encounter DPS. Our top DPS does 600 or so in BismarckEX. We're all at iLv170+. No need to say we have not made it to phase 3 yet.

    Half our FC play on the PS4. I can't afford to babysit 4 different dps jobs that I don't play and expect to turn them into top players. If there was an in-game parser, at least they could practice on their own. They want to improve, but the tools are simply not there...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    They want to improve, but the tools are simply not there...
    thats a lie , and u know it , if some1 wants to improve , they read guides if they dont know better, practice and improve , u dont need a PARSER to know u are doing your rotation wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    thats a lie , and u know it , if some1 wants to improve , they read guides if they dont know better, practice and improve , u dont need a PARSER to know u are doing your rotation wrong.
    Would those guides be there without someone parsing though?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mission View Post
    Would those guides be there without someone parsing though?
    Yes, because you can simply count potency.

    I agree with Warlyx... if you read/watch a guide on how to play your job, and then manage to follow that guide, why would you need a parser to do good DPS? If you follow the guide, you know you're doing good DPS.

    EDIT: to expand on that, you ofc can't just know your rotation and then get high DPS on all fights, but seeing a DPS number shouldn't affect how you develop as a DPS. If I need to do 100 DPS for a fight, it's not like I just pull something out of my hat and do more DPS, I know what rotation/priority to use, and simply try to constantly follow that while doing mechanics.

    My parser have helped me get even higher DPS, but that's simply a competitive thing, and you don't need it to get good DPS. To get very good DPS like you see some hardcore groups get, you probably need someone in the group to have parser to really get the most out of your job, so I do think there needs to be an in-game parser for the console players.

    So it can be an excuse for hardcore groups without a single PC player, but otherwise it's not an excuse.
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    Last edited by Craiger; 07-22-2015 at 01:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    thats a lie , and u know it , if some1 wants to improve , they read guides if they dont know better, practice and improve , u dont need a PARSER to know u are doing your rotation wrong.
    It's hard to improve when you see absolutely no feedback. All you can do is blindly practice a rotation. You cannot try to omit things and see how it turns out. You cannot experiment with the rotation to answer your own doubts. It's like trying to practice basket shooting in the dark with only a TV showing you the right posture, but you can't see the basket, you can't tell if it went in or not.

    Yes you can learn a rotation and practice until you can do it half-asleep. But when mechanics comes into play and you don't really understand it because you never experimented with the rotation, you will break your own dps.

    Just like in real life, people learn things in different ways, in a MMORPG, some people need that feedback. Don't be so quick to judge others. That attitude is only going to turn people defensive and you end up not helping at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zfz View Post
    It's hard to improve when you see absolutely no feedback. All you can do is blindly practice a rotation. You cannot try to omit things and see how it turns out. You cannot experiment with the rotation to answer your own doubts. It's like trying to practice basket shooting in the dark with only a TV showing you the right posture, but you can't see the basket, you can't tell if it went in or not.

    Yes you can learn a rotation and practice until you can do it half-asleep. But when mechanics comes into play and you don't really understand it because you never experimented with the rotation, you will break your own dps.

    Just like in real life, people learn things in different ways, in a MMORPG, some people need that feedback. Don't be so quick to judge others. That attitude is only going to turn people defensive and you end up not helping at all.
    That's exactly how a parser is used by an average player.
    It's a "I'm I good enough yet?" tool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Warlyx View Post
    thats a lie , and u know it , if some1 wants to improve , they read guides if they dont know better, practice and improve , u dont need a PARSER to know u are doing your rotation wrong.
    A lot of fight don't allow the player to do their usual rotation. Would it be because of burst phases or invul times, whatever.
    In those fights, which are a majority in Heavensward, the rotation of each job has to be adapted into a priority list to fit the more potency into each phases before the next mechanic hit.

    No guide will teach you how to adapt your rotation in each fight. They just give you a general "theoretically perfect" rotation, a pat in the back and a "good luck adapting that!".
    This is where and when a parser's help is useful. To see if our adapted rotation fit into correctly that battle.
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