Everyone Hurt, Spam Cure, then Cleric Stance. . . What?

[Blessedbythesun]

I dunno... As far as SCH are concerned... Heel, sustain then place her where she isn't cleaved, as that's the only way she would take any damage... Unless Shiva EX.

But yeah, I am not inclined to reactively heal any DPS that take damage if they aren't in any real risk during DPS crunch phases. It is costly to spam Succor on its own or with emergency tactics other wise, it use an aetherflow stack for indomitablilty, when whispering wind is quite potent. I will usually use indomitablilty though if aetherflow is near the end of its cool down. In healing intensive fights, we must make sure we aren't over healing just because DPS took some where around a 1k raid wide hit.

[Serret]

(...) healers who don't use AoE healers and just use single target heals which ultimately wastes time and MP when 3 or more players have taken damage, (...)

Actually, Medica only becomes more mana efficient when at least 4 players take damage not 3. Even so the difference in a 4 player scenario is marginal vs the potential benefit of a 100% free Cure 2.
Obviously if you have more than 4 targets that need healing a Medica is clearly more efficient than individually healing each target.
Though if other healing spells like regen \ medica 2 or asylum are in place, medica might not be needed at all as it will only serve to waste mana and overheal.

But the scenario you proposed seemed to be that of a Light Party not Full.

[416to305]

the only thing that i do for pets, is put maybe a stoneskin separately on them when i play before fight.
as for a ps4 controller player, its very difficult for me to heal pets or if i had pets to place them to some place. When I played as SCH i macroed fairy fairly enough, and make her follow me, so AoE heals take care of it sort of.
I have a different target setting separetly for pets/npcs, but im not gonna waste mana on healing those especially when with AST you already have enough mana issues to deal with.

You're saying it's hard to heal other's pets or your own? Because it's so easy on PS4 to heal your own, pressing up and down on the d-pad selects them the same as it does any other member of the party. Targeting someone else's is a bit harder, usually d-pad left and right, just a bit of a pain since you're usually hunting for it as it's cycling through the other party members etc.

[TonberiScholar]

That doesn't mean you don't help them if things get out of hand or if it was somehow unavoidable. Inaction slows things down. Not to mention not using a medica when ALL of you get hurt. The pets are effected by healing AoE too, there's almost no excuse for them not to be even INCEDENTALLY healed by a medica or even a Medica2.

A pet isn't worth burning the MP cost of an AoE heal.

Ever.

Sustain exists for a reason.

[Assirra]

What's going on!? Why are they removing helpful HUD elements like HP bars over players' heads!?!? What loser guide did these players read!?!?! WHERE'S THE INFLUENCE!?!?!?!?

Honesty i Always remove those bars.
It's a bunch of clutter that will hide stuff i actually want to see.

[Blessedbythesun]

@416to305
I'm sorry but no, it is not the healers responsibility to heal pets. It's a nice gesture at best but SCH/SMN have Sustain for that very reason. MCH, not sure but they can summon turrets with no penalty what so ever.

As for SCH specifically, it is nice that aoe heals work on their own pets, and eos gains benefit from whispering dawn but it is foolish to prioritize them for single target healing.

[Causality]

Micromanaging a pet and keeping it alive is the responsibility of its owner.

That responsibility is irrelevant to the topic. Because the topic is healers who don't use AoE healers and just use single target heals which ultimately wastes time and MP when 3 or more players have taken damage, especially when ALL of you taken damage. And I only mention the pets cause it's one of the more obvious give aways to what the healer is not doing if all players including the pets have been damaged bad and only the players get healed while the pets never even received a Medica2, not to mention anyone else for that matter.

You made this topic Relevant with your very first post.

SIt becomes even more obvious when other player's pets were never (incidentally) healed, like they made it their sole mission to push all responsibility on the owner. The of them are SCHs who don't even pay attention to their own fairy! So while the fairy is off using embrace on only herself, we're stuck with a SCH who only THINKS he has a clue about what he's doing, and then he wonders why people are so hard to heal or why he's OOM!

Since Pets/Turrets do not show in the party bar, even with the hud health bars up

What's going on!? Why are they removing helpful HUD elements like HP bars over players' heads!?!? What loser guide did these players read!?!?! WHERE'S THE INFLUENCE!?!?!?!?

Healers have to click, or for console gamers scroll through all the players and pets, in order to heal one distracting from healing players and watching for mob and boss mechanics. With the ability to heal and see thier own pets SMN/SCH are responsible for thier own, and I'm Sure MCH have some mechanic that deals with thier turrets as well.

As for your other point 3 Cure cost less MP than 1 Medica and the over all healed is greater. Cure is potency 400 where Medica is potency 300. Medical 2 has some utility outside of a fully partty )8-man) run, but you still wouldn't use it unless all party members have taken damage at 200 Potency, and 50 potency regeneration tick. Now to that point and I am going to go hide under this table here, a procced cure 3 would be the way to go if, and I mean IF you want to use an AOE heal on less than 4 people that are groupped together, or a 4+ group that is away from you and out of Medica range. With its cost cut in half it is cost is 2 cures and is 550 potency making it better than using a regular cure if more than one person has taken damage. But It is rarely if ever used. The only time to use it outside of Proc is as an ohshit button where you need a higher potency AOE Heal than Medica to place before a Medica 2.

For SCH, We tend to Succor if people are close, Adlo if spread out and Whispering dawn the faerie with covenant and illumination up if we need the boost. If those are up we'll hit indomitablity as well.

I don't know enough about Astrologians to know what they do in oh shit AOE situations.

[TonberiScholar]

I don't know enough about Astrologians to know what they do in oh shit AOE situations.

Panic, mostly.

Then probably use Aspected Helios or hope it was a small AoE and they've got Synastry up on the tank while they spot-heal whichever DPS lost part of their spleen.

[Yorumi]

and I'm Sure MCH have some mechanic that deals with thier turrets as well.

Yeah it's called reuse the skill. Turrets are zero cost, off gcd, 10 second recast. We laugh at the idea of healing a summoner's pet, for a turret you'd have to be an idiot to cast a heal on one.

[416to305]

@416to305
I'm sorry but no, it is not the healers responsibility to heal pets. It's a nice gesture at best but SCH/SMN have Sustain for that very reason. MCH, not sure but they can summon turrets with no penalty what so ever.

As for SCH specifically, it is nice that aoe heals work on their own pets, and eos gains benefit from whispering dawn but it is foolish to prioritize them for single target healing.

I'm not saying it was, I don't heal pets, I'm a WHM anyway. I was responding to the other post saying on PS4 it's too hard to heal pets. Was just saying it's not really any different than healing any other party member, IF you wanted to I mean. Just target with the D-Pad like any other player. You just press up and down to select it so not sure how it's hard. I just meant if you were trying to heal someone elses pet for some reason, then it's a bit harder to target, but like you said no one would really do that.