Patch 3.05

[Peekachu33]

They are nowhere near useless, unless you are already in full i190 gear.
Why is that? Because Eso and Savage gear will be SUPER slow!

The fact that Alex normal requires you to either run a floor four times or to have a prayer answered from RNGesus to get a single piece of what is probably just another piece of a complete item, makes the time investment vs. reward clearly biased against Alex. Furthermore why do Rav Ex (which I cleared about 18 times for idk why), when you can get an i200 weapon in eight days? The content is irrelevant to anyone with common sense and time-management savvy.

[Reynhart]

The fact that Alex normal requires you to either run a floor four times or to have a prayer answered from RNGesus to get a single piece of what is probably just another piece of a complete item, makes the time investment vs. reward clearly biased against Alex. Furthermore why do Rav Ex (which I cleared about 18 times for idk why), when you can get an i200 weapon in eight days? The content is irrelevant to anyone with common sense and time-management savvy.

Because, in eight days, you can only have one weapon.
In one week, you can drop several weapons from Rav EX (In case you have multiple jobs at 60) and several loots from Alex Normal.

[Zfz]

Furthermore why do Rav Ex (which I cleared about 18 times for idk why), when you can get an i200 weapon in eight days?

I don't understand this. I must have misread the patch note or misunderstood something.

The Savage tokens drop for you once per floor per week. Only once. You cannot farm it. It will take 8 weeks of clearing 4th floor Savage to get you the weapon, unless it drops for you before that, in which case the best outcome is to to clear to 4th floor today and get your weapon today.

Or is the iLv200 not the Savage weapon? I didn't look into the iLvs in the list of newly added items.

[ruskie]

I don't understand this. I must have misread the patch note or misunderstood something.

The Savage tokens drop for you once per floor per week. Only once. You cannot farm it. It will take 8 weeks of clearing 4th floor Savage to get you the weapon, unless it drops for you before that, in which case the best outcome is to to clear to 4th floor today and get your weapon today.

Or is the iLv200 not the Savage weapon? I didn't look into the iLvs in the list of newly added items.

Won't be 8 days but 3 weeks or let's say 15 days(remember 450/week and the weapon costs 990 eso). i200 is esoterics with an upgrade item to 210. 210 is savage direct and yeah takes 8 clears.

[sirDarts]

The fact that Alex normal requires you to either run a floor four times or to have a prayer answered from RNGesus to get a single piece of what is probably just another piece of a complete item, makes the time investment vs. reward clearly biased against Alex. Furthermore why do Rav Ex (which I cleared about 18 times for idk why), when you can get an i200 weapon in eight days? The content is irrelevant to anyone with common sense and time-management savvy.

Won't be 8 days but 3 weeks or let's say 15 days(remember 450/week and the weapon costs 990 eso). i200 is esoterics with an upgrade item to 210. 210 is savage direct and yeah takes 8 clears.

Minimum for Eso weapon is 9 days, since you can start on Monday, max, max next week, and then max after reset...
But it's still WAY longer than Ravana weapon, which you can get in 1 day (even 1 try if you are lucky).


(the rest is only for Peekachu)
1) You most likely need 190+ iLvl to clear Savage.
2) It takes VERY long time to get Eso equip.
=> You will very likely need mostly Alex Normal gear + Ravana weapon to clear Savage
=> It's not useless by any means.

Sure if you are taking your time, you can just ignore both Alex NM and Ravana, and just focus on slowly grinding Eso, that's luckily a choice we have.

[Peekachu33]

(the rest is only for Peekachu) SNIP.

Well in another month the new relics are released, too, which makes the grind spent on esoterics weapons (which is dumb in the first place considering the cap), or Rav Ex weapons even more fruitless. And i180 vs. i190 gear for alts just doesn't seem worth the hassle or time investment--to me--when I can be doing other things, inside or outside the game, and still be ahead of the curve regardless.

I'll be PVPig till cap, for one, since the new FL is kinda fun. Each match gives 20 esoterics, too, which adds up real quick. Ultimately Alex and Rav Ex gear fills a niche that neither super-slow-and-casual or hardcore really care about. It's weird itemization, having so many ilvls to chase within a month of release.

[sirDarts]

Well in another month the new relics are released, too, which makes the grind spent on esoterics weapons (which is dumb in the first place considering the cap), or Rav Ex weapons even more fruitless. And i180 vs. i190 gear for alts just doesn't seem worth the hassle or time investment--to me--when I can be doing other things, inside or outside the game, and still be ahead of the curve regardless.

It will take 2 or 3 months till Relics are released.

And yes, if you are not someone who wants to clear hard endgame content as soon as possible, then this is technically a useless grind for you. But that's the curse of games with vertical progression and a gear treadmill. That's how the game is, that's how the game was, and that's how the game will be for a long time. It's perfectly normal for this kind of games that gear is outdated a few months after release.
The only reason i170-i190 FEELS outdated (it's not, you need it to get the best ones, unless you are taking it VERY slowly) is because SE staggered the release. If they did the same as with 2.0, we would have been farming Savage and Eso gear for 4 weeks now, with Law and NM only being VERY temporary stepping stones...

I'll be PVPig till cap, for one, since the new FL is kinda fun. Each match gives 20 esoterics, too, which adds up real quick. Ultimately Alex and Rav Ex gear fills a niche that neither super-slow-and-casual or hardcore really care about. It's weird itemization, having so many ilvls to chase within a month of release.

So you cap for a week and get nothing, only in the second week of capping you will get a gear piece, it will be really really really slow. Would you like to be in i148-i160 for the time being? Or are you glad that you had shit to farm in those 4 weeks?

It's NOT a dead niche they are filling! YOU NEED THEM to gain the better ones, UNLESS you are slow and only focus on Eso gear.