Strength Tanks and You.

[elemental10]

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In that situation, the one you stated about enough HP + mitigation, and more HP + unmitigated) I would agree and if the tank pulls off the mitigation correctly, then that is considered skill and experience. That is the case of where everything would fall in place perfectly.

The assuming factor in your situation is the state of the healer. There are a lot of factors in determining how a good situation would turn very bad and most of it stem from your healer. Exaggerating, if the healer suddenly has a problem with his hardware, or a situation in which he cannot heal (such as he died), the excess VIT will decrease the chances of a wipe. The other healer can possibly keep you up at enough health to raise the dead healer or replace him for a short while. This is the situation which I had brought up.

Any tank busters in the game would not reduce the tank's HP to zero, merely to a critical point. In having a certain amount of VIT, that critical point can be avoided, therefore decreasing the margin of error. Again, this is up to the healer. If he is prepared to heal you up, that's good. If he does not? Then your extra VIT kicks in and you may survive long enough until the heal comes back again.

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Then, therefore by stacking VIT in excess and he knows he does not fully well know certain mechanic (I assume mechanics such as big hits, and so on) is a reasonable choice and does not perpetuate that the tank is bad. Merely, inexperienced in said content. Once he has known how to handle game mechanics and gearing choices, I assume he would want to go STR. Again, this is a choice for tanks.

However, stacking VIT in excess does not REALLY mean he doesn't fully understand the mechanics of the game. He may have chosen so because it was his preferences to have a certain HP threshold to go certain contents.

What I'm getting to is, excess VIT doesn't really mean the tank is bad. It means he has excess VIT, that's all. These judgements that excess VIT is a bad thing for tanks is, in my opinion, not true. It merely says that the tank has more HP, that's all.

In regards to comments that the excess VIT can be exchanged for something better, such as STR, I would say that is also a reasonable choice. Provided he is confident in his skills to survive any kinds of mistakes or slip ups from his teammates.

I know that I sound like I support the notion that we need more VIT or pro-Vit build but I merely want to convene that having a little bit of excess VIT (or more) does have it's own merit and cannot be shrugged off as a bad choice.

[Krylo]

I know that I sound like I support the notion that we need more VIT or pro-Vit build but I merely want to convene that having a little bit of excess VIT (or more) does have it's own merit and cannot be shrugged off as a bad choice.

I mean, sure, but go through general discussion and look at the OP of every thread bringing this up: It's always accusing str tanks of being poor. Which puts them on the defensive. So they start talking about the benefits, and then vit tanks go on the defensive and it turns into a mess.

Most people don't actually care how you gear your tank in casual content as long as you're doing okay, and in hardcore content that's between you and your static/LS/Guild/whatever, and no one else.

The reason these threads get like they are is. . . well read the OP and pretend he was talking about your main class/build and tell me how you'd feel?

Edit: Better yet, find Aeyis's posts and just read those and tell me how you'd feel?

Or in other words:

[elemental10]

The reason these threads get like they are is. . . well read the OP and pretend he was talking about your main class/build and tell me how you'd feel?

Yes, I do feel that some of my fellow tanks are being irresponsible in letting healers having a bad time healing us and I do feel the flak sometimes. I myself go for full STR on the casual PUGs but I try my best to give the healer a comfortable healing pace. If he is casting Cure during a fight, he should not be casting Cure 2 instead. When he does starting to cast Cure 2, I would instantly bring up my buffs, to reduce the "healing stress," if some would lead to believe.

Well, he is talking about my main (WAR). We are the least liked tank to be healing for. I do recognize his plight to say that full STR doesn't help healers, but either he has been running with poor tanks or he needs to upgrade his gears.

[Krylo]

Well, he is talking about my main (WAR). We are the least liked tank to be healing for. I do recognize his plight to say that full STR doesn't help healers, but either he has been running with poor tanks or he needs to upgrade his gears.

Right, and then someone said that, and then another healer went off about str being shitty, and then some str people tried to point out the bigger self heals + damage, and then vit tanks were like VIT IS STILL GOOD, and now we're here.

Basically, the vit side needs to stop. Str tanks never attacked them. They never even said people should roll all str before they're ready for it. Almost all of them suggest starting with vit and swapping to str as you get comfortable. But healers who have run with bad groups or are, themselves, bad, make threads blaming the failures of a few bad players on str tanks as a whole--despite the math working out that str tanks are better when the players can keep up with the, very slight, bit of extra demand. And then the Str players need to point that out to defend themselves from the lynchmob of poor healers healing poor tanks, and then the vit tanks, not wanting to feel sub-optimal, get defensive and start arguing back about the benefits of vit, and THIS thread happens.

Str tanks didn't start this. They've been on the defensive from the start.

[elemental10]

Str tanks didn't start this. They've been on the defensive from the start.

Sounds like a gang war kind of thing, isn't it?

Just let the thread die. There is no more to be discussed. STR, VIT tanks doesn't decide how the run goes.

It is the skill of the tank itself.