Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Kerwin]

Somethings can be learned as you go. But some insta kill mechanics are really annoying. Especially if it wipes the entire group. If you are going into difficult content, save the group a little hassel and look up some info. It's about being curteous to others. That's the way most people in XIV think that is. I know I sure as hell didn't go into Bismark EX without some references. Even in a learning party.

But you went in on a DF group. Don't sweat it and just reque up again and learn the fight. Move on.

But still, sorry about your fusterations.

[Elim]

You cant have it both ways.

Apparently they can. According to some people, it is a vets responsibility to write guides for newbies. It's "common decency" even. And it's okay to yell at vets, or even blame them for your mistakes, if they don't type up a (good enough) guide. I don't understand how this mentality came about. I'm not saying vets shouldn't type guides if they want to; I'm saying that newbies shouldn't feel entitled to them. Newbies should take responsibility for themselves. After all, if they had read a guide before entering then they may not have wiped the group.

Again, I have no problem whatssoever with anyone who wants to go in blind. But going in blind =/= asking for someone to type up a guide for you.

[Zohar_Lahar]

I think part of the problem is that only two out of eight can even get any loot, increasing frustration of the content.

[Rin_Kuroi]

I don't understand why people can't be bothered to watch a video. It just works better then someone typing it in chat. It also shows consideration for others.

[DragonFlyy]

FFXIV was the first MMORPG where i saw things like this:

- Did you watch Youtube videos before entering the dungeon
- Did you watch the guides before entering the dungeon

If you response, no i did not? Then you are noob and bad player.

This is strange community. Dungeons are supposed to be learned by playing them, wiping, learning by mistake, improving etc... And not how some elitists want that people should watch some videos lol .

This was in Ultimate Ballad. Easily learned after couple of wipes.

Played WoW since the beginning. Pretty much since it began I was "required" to watch videos for the raids since Burning Crusade launched (second expansion for those who don't know).

[Fatedkiss]

A few of us have said it now but somehow the point keeps getting skipped or people just don't seem to see it. No one here is saying that its ok to go in blind with no preparation. We are trying to bring a point to the negativity that is going around about kicking people and being rude to anyone that doesn't meet your requirements of "don't waste our time", which by the way can mean pretty much anything. People are getting kicked for simply not knowing mechanics because they have not been able to actually experience the fight and get enough practice with said mechanic.

Just watching a video alone does not guarantee that you can pass it whenever it happens. We as a community need to start understanding that just because you are a "vet" of that particular fight does not mean that others can not make mistakes. Stop hiding behind your wall of ignorance and arrogance by claiming people are "wasting your time" your playing a game, You are already wasting your own time.

[Niwashi]

It's rather entitled of you to expect that they are obligated to teach you the fight, frankly.

Well, in this case, the player who tagged one of the adds with that [1] symbol was effectively telling them what to do but telling them the wrong thing. The OP followed the instructions that had been voluntarily given and was then kicked because those instructions were wrong. If they're supposed to split up onto different adds, then none of those adds should have been marked to indicate "everyone focus on this one first".

[Assirra]

Played WoW since the beginning. Pretty much since it began I was "required" to watch videos for the raids since Burning Crusade launched (second expansion for those who don't know).

I never had to do that with WoW back in tbc days tbh.
We always made our strategies on our own. Was pretty interesting in the guild forum with all the brainstorming how to get over mechanics/issues.

[Ashkendor]

A few of us have said it now but somehow the point keeps getting skipped or people just don't seem to see it. No one here is saying that its ok to go in blind with no preparation.

Actually, several people in this thread have said exactly that. One even said he turns off his chat box to avoid "mechanics spoilers" when queueing into the fight for the first time. It's kind of rude to the other seven people, honestly. I understand that it isn't the norm, but with the mixed bag that is Duty Finder, you never know what you're going to end up with. If seven people are on the same page and one person is holding them back due to not wanting the encounter "spoiled" for them, you eventually get to a point where you either kick or vote abandon.

We are trying to bring a point to the negativity that is going around about kicking people and being rude to anyone that doesn't meet your requirements of "don't waste our time", which by the way can mean pretty much anything. People are getting kicked for simply not knowing mechanics because they have not been able to actually experience the fight and get enough practice with said mechanic.

Most people don't have a problem at least giving a basic run-down of mechanics in a duty finder encounter. However, there are those that don't want explanations, those that don't listen to explanations, and those that say they don't need explanations but really do. It takes all kinds, I guess.

Just watching a video alone does not guarantee that you can pass it whenever it happens. We as a community need to start understanding that just because you are a "vet" of that particular fight does not mean that others can not make mistakes. Stop hiding behind your wall of ignorance and arrogance by claiming people are "wasting your time" your playing a game, You are already wasting your own time.

Having to explain a mechanic someone doesn't know or doesn't understand isn't a waste of time. As long as you're learning and moving toward clearing the encounter, it's at least progress. Having someone repeatedly mess up the same mechanic despite explanations is a waste of time, though. As far as the game itself, I don't see the game as a waste of my time at all. It's something I enjoy doing. Teaching people content is also something I enjoy doing. Beating my head senselessly against unwinnable encounter is not something I enjoy doing.

[Kaedan94]

Having to explain a mechanic someone doesn't know or doesn't understand isn't a waste of time. As long as you're learning and moving toward clearing the encounter, it's at least progress. Having someone repeatedly mess up the same mechanic despite explanations is a waste of time, though. As far as the game itself, I don't see the game as a waste of my time at all. It's something I enjoy doing. Teaching people content is also something I enjoy doing. Beating my head senselessly against unwinnable encounter is not something I enjoy doing.

Exactly this.

Just last night we were doing A1. The BRD in the group said it was his first time. I promptly explained to him that you have to kill the adds under the laser beams, not just kill the adds anywhere. And what does he do? Kill the adds and prevent people from getting them under the laser beams. Someone initiated a vote kick and it failed, so half the group just left.

In another group, I specifically said save Limit Break for after you kill the first copy of the boss, because as soon as one dies, it starts a self-destruct. And what does one of the DPS do? Yeah, they can't help themselves and use LB when one copy is low and there's not enough time to burn the other, so we wipe.

So not only do people come in blind, but they refuse to listen to explanations. That's unacceptable.