So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Hypie]

As opposed to soul binding gear for materia, completing challenge log entries, farming materials to sell on the MB, retainer ventures, gathering, desynthing, playing the MB, etc?

And you think doing this 1-2 times will be enough to pay the Crafting Stuff? Man you are so naive it hurts....i would be "forced" (not really but i hope you get what i mean) to do this for 1-2 MONTH'S to pay for a single damn Gear on the MB.

This has already been stated by previous posters, but allow me to reiterate... We're not required to support anyone.

Lemme correct you. YOU DON'T WANT TO...support. This is the Reality. You simply don't want that. You like "Power Position" you have. Thats completely normal for a Human. If i am King and someone wants to etablish Democracy i too would work towards to silence him.

Materials are easily farmable

That's a plain Lie and we both know this. But whatever.

So you wanted gear solely for glamour purposes, didn't agree with the prices being offered, and immediately declared all crafters to be greedy, capitalistic, money-whores whose only concern is making a 600% profit off the poor downtrodden masses? Did you bother to get the materials and ask a crafter to make those items using the materials you provided? Also you previously stated that "crafting wasn't easy" which is why we're able to "rip players off", but then you go on to say that making the items you wanted only consists of hitting 2-3 macros.

Sorry maybe i wasn't clear enough on the first Post. I had the Materials and over 30 Crafters still wanted to be paid 500-600K Gild just because they had the Receipt and could Craft that Stuff....thats pretty much being a asshole if you ask me. And sorry i misspelled the Word it's called "Monopoly".

Yes Crafting is "not easy" and "easy" If i would RMT 20 Mills and go on Crafting it would be jackass easy. I copy the Macros from a Guide and be done with it. The Road to the Max Level is the Stuff thats not easy and it's costly. Or like you said i grind for Weeks doing Ixal Stuff. But until im there where i want to be other Players have already build up such a big Base that you have no Chance of getting a stable "income"

The thing that's scaring *me* isn't the materials requirements, but rather the gear.

Seriously need to overmeld *everything*? FC mate of mine just dumped *millions* into his set just in melds.

I ain't got that shit...

AND THIS. Is the normal Situation for normal PvE Players that are interested in Crafting. And you need the Melds if you want a 100% Chance to Craft the Gear in HQ.

This is the Point thats the most broken Point in XIV Crafting. This B*llsh*t "Chance"-System. If i learned how to build a Chair and have Master degree in building chairs then i dont have the friggin "chance" to build a good chair, i build a good chair every.single.*beeeep*ing.time.

I dont need to buy equipment for millions for building a *Beeeep* chair. This is simplfied yes but still valid.


Next answers t after a break im getting a bit....angry and dont want to write stuff while seeing red.

[Gilthas]

Have any of you considered that maybe it has nothing to do with MB prices and almost entirely with making crafting/gathering more time consuming so that you stay subscribed longer on account of it taking more time to get anything done?

Oh, I understand that angle, but in my case it's more likely to make me leave than stay. That's the whole problem with all the changes they've made to crafting since release, these changes don't make people play longer when they actually push them away from crafting.

It'd be really interesting to see how many players at the end of 2.5 with level 50 DoH and DoL had their corresponding Lucis or even Supra.

The thing that's scaring *me* isn't the materials requirements, but rather the gear.

Seriously need to overmeld *everything*? FC mate of mine just dumped *millions* into his set just in melds.

I ain't got that shit...

That's another serious problem with crafting and gathering. DoM and DoW classes can be functional without a single meld. To keep supply low and prices up, DoH and DoL are forced to spend millions on melds or spiritbond for days (most likely weeks).

You know, I've heard there are games out there where a single character has the ability to level all crafts and gathering professions, essentially making them completely self-sufficient. I sure wish this game was like that... oh wait...

Oh wait indeed. Read the opening post again. This game used to be like that when ARR was released. Since then SE has been adding more and more punishing mechanics to hurt players that want to be self-sufficient and force the MB down their throats.

If SE is so obsessed with keeping MB prices up I want them to give players like me a parallel system where we can gather and craft untradable versions of the same items while bypassing all the grindy mechanics that are solely in place to keep MB prices up and to push players out of crafting and gathering.

[Wobi]

@Wobi: This is not True i do understand the Hardship for Leveling it all to Max. But just wanting the Skin for Glamour and to be told to pay up 600k just because they can Craft it, even without wanting High Quality a Normal would be enough, i can't support such a Crafting System. And i detest Players who use such a System to enrich themself on the Costs of others.

What you are really saying here is that you detest people that want to be compensated for the countless hours of work they put in to be able to make said item in the first place. Also I personally don't spike prices, I do price things at a reasonable going rate however. I did raise the price of some glamour prisms one time because people were for some reason buying them faster than I could even make them. Even then it wasn't anything outrageous.

I fail to see why people never take into account the time and effort that crafters/gatherers spend to be able to craft items for people. It's not all about material cost (which we don't always control, despite popular belief)

[Nadirah]

To be fair, you *cant* meld the best PvE gear. And likely won't be able to craft it either because of Coil.

I think the solution to both problems is eliminate overmelding ENTIRELY.

[KyrsIsley]

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Sounds like you just don't want to put in the time and are too lazy, while demanding others provide you services with "reasonable" cost. The Arachne set can be made by simply leveling the craft required to lv53 and have up to date NQ gear. The materials are ridiculously easy to come by at this point. If you don't want to put in the time and effort to level something don't go around dissing people for putting in the time and effort and saying they are greedy and abusing a broken system. Self-entitlement much?

[Chrolo]

The thing that's scaring *me* isn't the materials requirements, but rather the gear.

Seriously need to overmeld *everything*? FC mate of mine just dumped *millions* into his set just in melds.

I ain't got that shit...

For the current crafts, you dont need any overmelds at all.
Overmelds help you craft HQ out of only NQ mats, but if you use a few HQ mats you can easily craft with basic crafting gear without melds

[Airget]

Honestly, one change I'd like with craft/gathering is a means for retainers to obtain unspoiled nodes from the 2.0 areas. They don't need access to the new 3.0 areas but man it would be nice if they could go out for an hour and bring back Spruce Logs or Darksteel or Gold ore lol.

[StouterTaru]

The thing that's scaring *me* isn't the materials requirements, but rather the gear.

Seriously need to overmeld *everything*? FC mate of mine just dumped *millions* into his set just in melds.

I ain't got that shit...

For both DoL and DoH I'm still using 2.x accessories, with minimal melds on new gear.

DoL total of 3 grasp III materia to make up for lost GP from new gear (~40k each on Exodus)
DoH total of 5 cunning III materia to make up for lost CP from new gear (~40k each on Exodus)

I can craft anything, I can gather anything. I'm holding off on melds until they introduce more difficult recipes.

[Nadirah]

For the current crafts, you dont need any overmelds at all.
Overmelds help you craft HQ out of only NQ mats, but if you use a few HQ mats you can easily craft with basic crafting gear without melds

Reliably obtaining hq mats requires high end gathering gear.

[Ronove]

Leveling a Crafting Class takes Weeks. Why? Well obiviously many don't want to help you. Your a new Competitor on the Marketplace. Nobody wants to share Spoils and so on. To take it simple everyone is controlled by his Greed aka "IT'S MY TREASUUUUUUURE GOLLUM GOLLUM!"

It doesn't take weeks to level a crafting class...