So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Hypie]

So for all of the people thinking all crafters are greedy insane people who are bent on destroying you how would you have it set up? If you make things too easy then anyone can be crapping out HQ items and no one makes a profit. You cry about prices but don't even consider someone spending countless millions on melds/etc. Have you ever sold a rare materia for a lot of gil? Then you too are guilty of driving up prices.

I give things away for basically free all of the time but you have to spend money to make money and at the end of the day I'd like a return on my investment.

I studied the Marketboard and then decided that it is broken. Same with Crafting Stuff. Since then i just don't use it.

A easy Way to make it more affordable is just to break the System that you need to invest Millions of Gil for the Equip the Crafter uses. A Way would be the new Tomes of Esoterics sell Crafting Gear. And more Drops out of Nodes and Stuff. The Crafting in MMO's was never intended for making Profit. It was to provide Support for the PvE or PvP. I dont say to totally make it worthless but to nerf it down to a level where a normal player can buy stuff after saving his dungeon run gil for 2-3 weeks. Or give PvE Players a Way of getting Gil while restricting the Crafters just to raise the Price. I think you like the first way...right?

But here there was some Players who thought "cool we can rip em off because it's not so easy doing crafting here in xiv let's build up a monopol!" And then...you have the Situation we have now.

Because you sound like you really dont like crafters.

That's correct. I can tell you why. I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And this was just an example on me. There are countless Players like that.

And it's really much more worse with Stuff thats "up to date".

Leveling a Crafting Class takes Weeks. Why? Well obiviously many don't want to help you. Your a new Competitor on the Marketplace. Nobody wants to share Spoils and so on. To take it simple everyone is controlled by his Greed aka "IT'S MY TREASUUUUUUURE GOLLUM GOLLUM!"

[Chrolo]

That's correct. I can tell you why. I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And it's Waaaaay Worse with actual Stuff. Way way way worse....

You sound bitter because crafters are earning money and you dont.
Seriously if you dont want to pay the ripoff MB price then just buy the mats and find a crafter who crafts for free or for a cheap fee. I dont know your problem lol. If you want convenience and stuff delivery to you with a click then pay the MB price

[Wobi]

I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And this was just an example on me. There are countless Players like that.

I don't think you have a clue what went into being able to craft that in the first place, upgrading tools to Supra/Lucis were a battle against RNG galore. No one could HQ any of these items without basically leveling every single class to 50+. So if someone took the time to level all the classes and get the necessary abilities AND gear themselves out then of course they are going to try and recoup some of their losses.

Short of making everything easy as can be for anyone just to hop in and make whatever they want with minimal effort I don't see an issue. As for some of the currently massively overpriced items like the Thavnairian set, bear in mind people were selling individual mats for upwards of 7m at one point which you need 3 of. Not to mention the gear/etc/master books to make it. Profits are not always as amazing as people seem to think they are.

[Darra]

I studied the Marketboard and then decided that it is broken. Same with Crafting Stuff. Since then i just don't use it.
That's correct. I can tell you why. I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And this was just an example on me. There are countless Players like that.

Clearly someone with the same IQ as a turnip. How did it not occur to you that you could pay for the materials then go looking for a crafter willing to do it for a small tip? The MB is used to make profits from the lazy people, but most crafters are willing to make the same item with their own mats, and sell it off the MB for less, or even make an item with your own materials + a tip. Stop being some cheapskate that thinks it's okay to ask a crafter to spend 50 hours leveling their own classes to only charge you a pittance for all their time spent leveling and battling the shitty RNG in crafting.

As for your real world: News flash, there are so many things out there with a profit margin exceeding 100% it's not even funny. Do you send angry letters to the cinema chains demanding they cut popcorn prices so that they no longer make 300% profit on the popcorn? What about mobile phone providers? It costs considerably more to send an SMS than an email (in terms of bites of data, SMS messages are insanely expensive compared to the same amount of bites in an email). Or do you just save your rants for us evil crafters because you lack the intelligence to make gil yourself, craft yourself, or to ask a crafter to make something for you for cheaper?

[KyrsIsley]

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Sounds like you just don't want to put in the time and are too lazy, while demanding others provide you services with "reasonable" cost. The Arachne set can be made by simply leveling the craft required to lv53 and have up to date NQ gear. The materials are ridiculously easy to come by at this point. If you don't want to put in the time and effort to level something don't go around dissing people for putting in the time and effort and saying they are greedy and abusing a broken system. Self-entitlement much?

[Ronove]

Leveling a Crafting Class takes Weeks. Why? Well obiviously many don't want to help you. Your a new Competitor on the Marketplace. Nobody wants to share Spoils and so on. To take it simple everyone is controlled by his Greed aka "IT'S MY TREASUUUUUUURE GOLLUM GOLLUM!"

It doesn't take weeks to level a crafting class...

[Aeyis]

The Crafting in MMO's was never intended for making Profit.

That's how economy works. What other MMOs are you used to? Because in all the ones I know people made a lot of currency off crafting. WoW? I made quite a bit selling equipment pieces for thousands.

I dont say to totally make it worthless but to nerf it down to a level where a normal player can buy stuff after saving his dungeon run gil for 2-3 weeks. Or give PvE Players a Way of getting Gil while restricting the Crafters just to raise the Price.

There already are plenty of ways to make gil without crafting. But from this it sounds like you only do dungeons.

That's correct. I can tell you why. I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats.

You are kind of paying him for taking the time and effort to level that crafting class. Do you think it was any easier in the past? No, it was only harder/required more time/gil.
And you are paying them to take the time to craft for you.

If you dont like that you could find someone you know that crafts, you could find someone else with a lower fee, or you could level it yourself.

I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks.

But you were too poor to buy it since you only do dungeons and never cared about gil before. Result being this topic.

You could of easily made millions leveling a retainer and having it farm materials. Since you only dungeon spam anyway, you should be full on seals as well.



Also LOL wanting the Arachne Set and cant pay 1 mil. I want the full Thavnarian Set, any idea how much that costs on my server? xDDD (about 40m in material cost alone)

I can craft anything, I can gather anything. I'm holding off on melds until they introduce more difficult recipes.

Youll need better stats then that for the 1* nodes tho.