So Thursday's maintenance is supposed to bring crafting/gardening adjustments...

[Issac]

crafters are not here to do jack shit for you, they do not have to do ANYTHING FOR YOU.

your agrument is based off the fact that we have to when we dont have to do anything for you at all.

you cry and complain and whine like thatll change anything, crafting takes ALOT of time and effort and good luck to get where we are and this is coming from a "PVE" player who farms A4.

it takes money to make money and we spend alot to profit of players just like you, players not patient enough to level any crafts (and no as of HW you dont need to meld jack and i have my masterbooks to prove this), too lazy and impatient to level a gatherer.

you battle only players feed the marketboard through your gritted teeth as you complain on forums like thatll do anything, you sound bitter that you arent making money thats all im reading from this.

call it broken all yo want, just like i tell pve players who want to yell at a tank/healer/dps, until you DO level your stuff you dont reserve the right to say anything about the job.

word of advise; get off your lazy ass or stop whining because im not dropping my prices for shit.

Thank you.

[Felis]

And those Holy items that I mentioned? They require 2 Holy waters each to synth that themselves require 2 items from the above-mentions unspoiled node. So each time you need a Holy material you need 4 of those.

For Holy Water you need only 2 Dravanian Spring Water (easy to gather with already just a lv 51+ miner) and 2 Dravanian Mistletoe.
Only the Dravanian Mistletoe is gathered from an unspoiled node, but at the same time a NPC sell it in the Ishgard market street.
So you only need the Dravanian Mistletoe from an unspoiled node if you want it as an HQ item (not neccessary anymore to craft Holy Water HQ once your Alchemist is lv 60).

Also I don't see any problem with the current hidden nodes. The chances that the item show up in the list seem very high (around 50% ?).

- The level 53 Goldsmith quest requires a fish that can only be obtained by level 55 Fishers, and Hardsilver that can only be mined by level 56 Miners.

So what?

Basilisk Egg - lv 50 node in northern Thanalan
Basilisk Wheetstone - lv 40 recipe

Black Alumen - lv 40 node in South Shroud
Hippogryph Leather - lv 50 recipe

[ThanMazus]

word of advise; get off your lazy ass or stop whining because im not dropping my prices for shit.

I'm sure some undercutter will come along soon to destroy whatever pricing exists.

[Psycofang]

funny because I AM that undercutter sometimes.

22m for a thav bustier is too much

i sold it for 6.5

now its hovering around 5mil and not dropping but sellling regularly.

your point being?

[Hypie]

@Psycofang: All i read is "MIMIMI this User wants to destroy "my" monopol i hate him!"

I don't level any Crafting profession because it's broken. You on the other Hand use this broken System so you can bled dry others. Your like these Jackasses in Wall Street. But this here is not Wall Street. If you want to play on the Wall Street go to the Wall Street and leave MMO which has a broken System which should be fixed alone. You just don't want to lose your "Throne".

By the Way i don't buy a single Thing from the Marketboard. I farmed my Gear. Feel free to sit on your useless Stuff you Crafted i wish more Players would just ignore the Marketboard.

@Wobi: This is not True i do understand the Hardship for Leveling it all to Max. But just wanting the Skin for Glamour and to be told to pay up 600k just because they can Craft it, even without wanting High Quality a Normal would be enough, i can't support such a Crafting System. And i detest Players who use such a System to enrich themself on the Costs of others.

Right now where we still at the Start of a Addon would be the perfect Chance to break down these Walls. To nicely kill off toxic Crafters that fight against Players interested in Crafting so they can have a stable Monopol (yes i had multiple Situations like that from myself and Friends). And to get a stable reasonable Market where a Ingot of the newest Mineral of the Expansion doesn't costs 500k+ (example) if you understand.

You need to understand that i dont want to make Crafting into something where you can only put you Stuff in for 5 Gil instead of 5 Millions. The Problem is that the Most Crafters just See White and Black. There is a Gray Zone where everyone can be happy. Well...except the greedy selfish Players.

And so long SE won't change anything i will not Stop encouraging Players to ignore the Market Board and only buy the Stuff they really really can't get another Way (Relic Crafted Base Weapon as a example).

[Darra]

I studied the Marketboard and then decided that it is broken. Same with Crafting Stuff. Since then i just don't use it.
That's correct. I can tell you why. I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And this was just an example on me. There are countless Players like that.

Clearly someone with the same IQ as a turnip. How did it not occur to you that you could pay for the materials then go looking for a crafter willing to do it for a small tip? The MB is used to make profits from the lazy people, but most crafters are willing to make the same item with their own mats, and sell it off the MB for less, or even make an item with your own materials + a tip. Stop being some cheapskate that thinks it's okay to ask a crafter to spend 50 hours leveling their own classes to only charge you a pittance for all their time spent leveling and battling the shitty RNG in crafting.

As for your real world: News flash, there are so many things out there with a profit margin exceeding 100% it's not even funny. Do you send angry letters to the cinema chains demanding they cut popcorn prices so that they no longer make 300% profit on the popcorn? What about mobile phone providers? It costs considerably more to send an SMS than an email (in terms of bites of data, SMS messages are insanely expensive compared to the same amount of bites in an email). Or do you just save your rants for us evil crafters because you lack the intelligence to make gil yourself, craft yourself, or to ask a crafter to make something for you for cheaper?

[Dejectedbunny]

Well easy because PvE Players have no means to get these ridiculous amounts of Gil Crafters want from us. If i want to buy this crafted Shit i would be forced to do RMT. And Boy thats the last thing i want to do.

As opposed to soul binding gear for materia, completing challenge log entries, farming materials to sell on the MB, retainer ventures, gathering, desynthing, playing the MB, etc?

So it would be really good to flood the Market with easy Stuff. To Crush the Monopol or Oligarchy thats Active and make a Player friendly Economy.

So essentially, your complaint is that you have to actually work for your gil?

But this would hurt teh Crafters! Guess what...you Job is to support the Fighting Classes not bled em dry. Your Job is to provide crafted Stuff for those of us who have weeks long bad Drop Luck.

This has already been stated by previous posters, but allow me to reiterate... We're not required to support anyone. A large majority of us give away more gear and melds than we make to sell, but again that's something that each crafter chooses to do, not because we're obligated to.

Make Materials easy affordable and farmable and ruin this skyrocketed MB. Look at Warcraft. Ppl still Buy Crafted Stuff all Day and the Price is so low. Well Warcraft has a Garrison where you can make Gold. What do PvE Players have here to make Gil? Nothing.

Materials are easily farmable, it's just requires to you put forth some effort. As a side note, you do realize that the "skyrocketed" cost of materials on the MB only affects the crafters (aka the same group of people you are complaining about), right? Also bringing up WoW's crafting / AH system does nothing to strengthen your argument here. Crafting in that game consists solely of selecting an amount and hitting a single button. There are no HQ variations of the finished product and no where near the degree of complexity that FFXIV has for its crafting system. Not to mention, that game throws gear at you constantly (much like this one does) effectively eliminating the need for most crafted gear.

I rather jump the Grind Mill of Tomes again before i start with the radioactive Waste that is called "Crafting".

Again, you want the benefits of crafting, but don't want to put in the work yourself. If you don't agree with the prices, then make it yourself.

For Crafting you need to invest a Grand Sum first for perfect Melds on the Equip for the Equip itself and shit. Millions of Gil, because the System is not new and we are all friends. A new Player lvling Crafting means more Fighting over Selling. So lets make shit SO costly he will say "Fuck this shit" and leaves it alone so that you can get in all the profit. And im not talking about you personally im talking about crafters in general.

The System is broken and you know it. You just don't want to admit it because this would be the same as admitting you wasted your time on something thats broken for your own profit and that it needs to be corrected.

Funny, I didn't have to spend millions of gil to get all my crafts to 4 star level. I just put in the effort. Some choose to spend their gil to fast track equipping and melding their gear. Others choose to gather the materials and materia themselves. In the end, both are perfectly viable options. You keep trying to paint crafting as this exclusive club where you need to have X amount of gil to buy your way into it. Sorry to tell you, but that couldn't be further from the truth. It just requires work.

That the Crafts aren't viable for Endgame is my lil sweetpot, i hope it stays this way.

Again, I would question what it is you're complaining about. Crafted gear at end game level is mostly for glamour (e.g. not important for functionality). This isn't FFXI where 90% of the gear in the game was crafted. It's possible to level a job from 1-60 using nothing but quest rewards and dungeon gear. So again, what are you complaining about?

I studied the Marketboard and then decided that it is broken. Same with Crafting Stuff. Since then i just don't use it.
A easy Way to make it more affordable is just to break the System that you need to invest Millions of Gil for the Equip the Crafter uses. A Way would be the new Tomes of Esoterics sell Crafting Gear.

You mean like the NPC in Mor Dhona that sells non-meldable crafting gear in exchange for turning in crafted token items? Oh wait, no you want to be able to run content on a battle job and then apply rewards from said content toward crafting; rather than using those tomes to purchase gear that is better out-of-the-box than crafted gear.

The Crafting in MMO's was never intended for making Profit. It was to provide Support for the PvE or PvP. I dont say to totally make it worthless but to nerf it down to a level where a normal player can buy stuff after saving his dungeon run gil for 2-3 weeks. Or give PvE Players a Way of getting Gil while restricting the Crafters just to raise the Price. I think you like the first way...right?

But here there was some Players who thought "cool we can rip em off because it's not so easy doing crafting here in xiv let's build up a monopol!" And then...you have the Situation we have now.

Not sure what a "monopol" is, but you're definitely confused about the concept of a free market. Crafters charge what consumers are willing to pay for their wares. Furthermore, no one forces you to purchase crafted items and certainly no one prevents you from seeking a different price or making those items yourself. As for crafting being difficult in this game, yeah I guess it is when compared to the click a single button, get item crafting of some other games (WoW, GW2, etc.).

If a crafter's sole purpose is to support the PVE and PVP players, then does that obligate the PVE players to support the crafters? In other words, do you spend your time following a gatherer around clearing out aggroing mobs or farming materials to give to away?

I wanted the Arachne Set just for the Looks. The Set is outdated since...long Time. But still Crafters want nearly a Million Gil for one Piece. You can buy EVERYTHING! For roughly 300-400K Gil. So you just pay a Crafter for hitting 2-3 Macros double the Mats. Thats called a ripoff in Real World my Friend. And this was just an example on me. There are countless Players like that.

So you wanted gear solely for glamour purposes, didn't agree with the prices being offered, and immediately declared all crafters to be greedy, capitalistic, money-whores whose only concern is making a 600% profit off the poor downtrodden masses? Did you bother to get the materials and ask a crafter to make those items using the materials you provided? Also you previously stated that "crafting wasn't easy" which is why we're able to "rip players off", but then you go on to say that making the items you wanted only consists of hitting 2-3 macros.

And it's really much more worse with Stuff thats "up to date".

e.g. Things that are currently relevant, still not considered mandatory by any means, and requires current materials which take slightly more effort to procure.

Leveling a Crafting Class takes Weeks. Why? Well obiviously many don't want to help you. Your a new Competitor on the Marketplace. Nobody wants to share Spoils and so on. To take it simple everyone is controlled by his Greed aka "IT'S MY TREASUUUUUUURE GOLLUM GOLLUM!"

You know, I've heard there are games out there where a single character has the ability to level all crafts and gathering professions, essentially making them completely self-sufficient. I sure wish this game was like that... oh wait...

[ThanMazus]

funny because I AM that undercutter sometimes.

22m for a thav bustier is too much

i sold it for 6.5

now its hovering around 5mil and not dropping but sellling regularly.

your point being?

Wow, combative much? I was just stating that undercutters come in and change prices, usually in huge amounts.

[Gilthas]

As it stands right now, you can turn a profit simply buying mats off the MB and turning them into components needed that other crafters want. Or you know, put on a show and gather 500 mythrite sand, 100 mythril ore, and make an even bigger profit because you didn't need to buy anything. It takes me about 60-90 minutes to gather 500 sand, depending on how often gathering attempts +2 nodes spawn.

But if you don't want it to be a "second job" as you say, buy the sand, make the nuggets, sell the nuggets at a profit. And in the interim, look at that, you got exp on your gsm, arm, or bsm. Please stop complaining and use your head.

Like I already said: I want to be self-sufficient. I don't want to be a gilfarming monkey enslaved to the MB. Your "solution" solves none of that.

[Nadirah]

The thing that's scaring *me* isn't the materials requirements, but rather the gear.

Seriously need to overmeld *everything*? FC mate of mine just dumped *millions* into his set just in melds.

I ain't got that shit...