Unjust Kicking from Alexander T4

[Ashkendor]

DF even prioritizies new players, votekickin for not knowing a guide should actualy be grounds for legal action if someone had the guts to spill some money on vanity law case -_-. Still if the very code puts new players in ppl parties that cleared them together, then SE is obligated by their own doing to defend every single kicked player for going in the fight blind in DF. Im sure there are some laws that will solidify those arguments.

You can report it to a GM. The thing is, unless someone is abusive to you (i.e. shouting profanity at you in chat before they kick you, etc), then it's most likely going to get chalked up to 'differing playstyles'. As far as real world legal action, most gaming companies have a liability clause in their ToS that prevents you from suing them for something like that. There's usually pretty strict limitations on the kinds of things you can seek arbitration for.

11.3 User Disputes. You shall be solely responsible for resolving any and all disputes that may arise between you and other Users in connection with the Game, and for paying any and all expenses incurred by you in connection with resolving such dispute. Square Enix shall not be responsible for mediating or resolving any such disputes and shall have no liability to you or to any third party for any costs, fees, expenses, damages or other losses incurred in connection with or as a result of any such disputes.

I mean, I guess you could try but you'd basically just be throwing money at your lawyer.

There was a comment posted several months ago about how the community base was in this game compared to other mmo's. This was the reply. "Final Fantasy XIV Online has one of the most toxic community I have ever seen in a MMO" I don't know about you guys but that's really a disturbing review. I've read that comment on several reviews for this game. Will do some digging to find the the source, but the fact that the comment was even made is disturbing.

I don't really find it disturbing since we know nothing about the source. For all we know, it was just some butthurt player that got banned. Anyone can go out on the internet and post a negative review, and there's no telling what the actual truth behind it is. This community is far from the most toxic I've ever seen; we're a bunch of care bears compared to people in some of the other games I've played. PvP heavy games tend to have very toxic communities. So do games where there's a lot of class imbalance (we're getting a taste of this now, but it's not nearly as bad as it could be). FFXIV's community is actually pretty decent overall.

Also, not everyone finds videos and guides helpful. They personally confuse me like crazy. I can't remember each mechanic and in what order ect. I learn much better by figuring it out for myself and actually experiencing the fight.

Before anyone says anything too, I've cleared Fcob with my static and most of us didn't watch a guide.

I don't learn well from video guides myself, but I find that they at least give me a general idea of what to look for even if everything doesn't soak in at first. I at least know what the basic mechanics are called and how they work.

[Edewen]

The way i see it. There are a lot of grey areas with this situation.

Leveling dungeons. It is understandable to expect to go in blind and expect a 2 second explanation of the only mechanics.

This is a raid. This is content designed to require more coordination among the group. After a day, explanations are all over the internet and not looking it up beforehand is simply lazy and disrespectful of others. You are not entitled to an explanation. It is not your parties job to paste the guide into chat for you.

You are going into a group situation. Other people will be counting on you to do your part. Knowing as much beforehand is the decent thing to do. People don't hate first timers. They hate lazy people expecting to be carried. Hopefully, though doubtful, you learned your lesson and next time you join an 8 man raid situation, you can say "This is my first time, I have the general idea by guides, is there anything extra I may need to know"

[Luvbunny]

There was a comment posted several months ago about how the community base was in this game compared to other mmo's. This was the reply. "Final Fantasy XIV Online has one of the most toxic community I have ever seen in a MMO"

Seems like it is more common in US/EU servers than in Japan servers. They would wipe 2-3 times or more before doing vote disband. Often someone will start typing direction - or "shaming" the bad player(s) - that usually does the trick. They learn a bit quicker over there, I mean this is not always the case, bad players in every countries. But in general, most players there do Party Finder to learn, and when you join DF, you are expected to KNOW the fight already, or at least read guide, or worse comes to worse, quick learner.

[Jatoi]

I usually explain things to new people when going into a dungeon/raid I'm familiar with. I just see it as a courtesy.

However, I do watch a video guide before each fight without being prompted to since I get a little paranoid at the same time.

[Edewen]

I usually explain things to new people when going into a dungeon/raid I'm familiar with. I just see it as a courtesy.

However, I do watch a video guide before each fight without being prompted to since I get a little paranoid at the same time.

But the difference here is dungeon. Not raid. 8 mans are more complicated by design. People should not be expected to teach them every time.

As for the people who don't learn by youtube videos. There are also written guides out there. Since you are going into the fights and expecting someone to type a guide for you, you have no excuse not to use them.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Alexander+guides+ff14

[Jatoi]

But the difference here is dungeon. Not raid. 8 mans are more complicated by design. People should not be expected to teach them every time.

As for the people who don't learn by youtube videos. There are also written guides out there. Since you are going into the fights and expecting someone to type a guide for you, you have no excuse not to use them.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Alexander+guides+ff14

True, but I expect a less successful run on a raid in DF simply because at least with PF you can state a requirement ( either looking for experienced players or form a learning party ) with far less hassle. Hence why I prefer to either use PF or go with my FC.

As a result I don't really hold any expectations for the DF and explain anyway.

[cgbspender]

I had a scholar first timer as a co-healer in A4 today, which he immediatly stated. I was expecting the tank to wait a couple of seconds before the pull to let us (or ask himself) whether the scholar knew anything about the fight. Hell no. He pulled immediatly. The scholar was doing a great job all along, taking a few orbs and all, and just before we reached last phase, I found some seconds to type "Stay away from everybody else", which he understood quickly and ran to the outside. But as the fight had been pulled so quickly, I didn't have time or anybody else to explain the debuff in last phase, and he didn't survive. I found myself solo-healing to the last mob's ~35% at which point we wiped as I completely ran OoM.

Honestly, I don't have such a good partner as a healer everyday, especially when it's theirs first time. And I was really confident we'd kill it on second try, with just a few more tips given to him.
And then pops the votekick window.., kicking one of the most intuitive and good healer I had ever seen.
Simply told them "what do you think you 're doing, kicking a good healer just because he's new ?" and I left too - ON STRIKE.

[Edewen]

And then pops the votekick window.., kicking one of the most intuitive and good healer I had ever seen.
Simply told them "what do you think you 're doing, kicking a good healer just because he's new ?" and I left too - ON STRIKE.

Exception to the rule though. Sure there area few people who will simply be amazing. And based on his performance, it is clear he did at least some background research on the fight beforehand. I would have left with you.

[SakuraMidori]

But the difference here is dungeon. Not raid. 8 mans are more complicated by design. People should not be expected to teach them every time.

As for the people who don't learn by youtube videos. There are also written guides out there. Since you are going into the fights and expecting someone to type a guide for you, you have no excuse not to use them.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Alexander+guides+ff14

Some ppl like to go in blind and some ppl just learn better from doing it them self anyone can read about something sure. But to actually perform well that's a different story it's like football you see and hear the plan but then doing the play won't always work 100% that's life

[Edewen]

Some ppl like to go in blind and some ppl just learn better from doing it them self anyone can read about something sure. But to actually perform well that's a different story it's like football you see and hear the plan but then doing the play won't always work 100% that's life

Nothing but a poor excuse to be unprepared and to inflict that on strangers. Preparation is never a bad thing. But feel free to make a party finder instead.