Strength Tanks and You.

[Stormrider]

I was PUGing Ravana Ex yesterday, and ended up stuck with a co-tank full vit DRK who couldn't manage to do much more than spam Powerslash and put out 200 DPS even as OT. Of course, I had to take over as MT since the only thing he could tank was the floor, regardless of how pumped on vit he was. Made Ravana's DPS check phases an absolute pain in the ass for everyone else involved.

So basically your example is a tank that for some reason could not stay alive could not hold hate. You don't see how silly it looks. Not sure about DRKs but they are a turtle tank like pld? But I am pretty sure PLD abilities that hold hate have little to do with dps and have built in hate mechanics. Unless I am missing something.

In fact I might even go so far as to say a PLD might be able to hold hate without doing any dps if he had unlimited MP? I am sure we have all lazily flashed and not bothered to target a trash mob that some dps is blowing all its cooldowns on, or thrown a provoke and a flash.

Will this help you beat an encounter when you are short 10%. No the extra dps squeezed out will be great. But I think we are talking about base tanking and pugging groups.

[Alexika]

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You don't sound like you understand how threat works. DPS is the single largest factor in threat. I mean I can go hold threat without my tank stance up in any fight you want to name.

[Stormrider]

You don't sound like you understand how threat works. DPS is the single largest factor in threat. I mean I can go hold threat without my tank stance up in any fight you want to name.

My point is that the game is built around not having str build. That they don't expect tanks dps to be that high and it is counteracted by abilities that have lower dps but higher hate generating ability. I would also beg to differ about dps being largest hate generating ability in the game over healing would like a word with you.

[Alexika]

My point is that the game is built around not having str build. That they don't expect tanks dps to be that high and it is counteracted by abilities that have lower dps but higher hate generating ability. I would also beg to differ about dps being largest hate generating ability in the game over healing would like a word with you.

I never lose hate to healing, so explain how healing would be the biggest threat gen?

[Aeyis]

I never lose hate to healing, so explain how healing would be the biggest threat gen?

Probably because healers will focus on healing as little as possible. They dont use TP as a resource after all.

[Kiteless]

So basically your example is a tank that for some reason could not stay alive could not hold hate. You don't see how silly it looks. Not sure about DRKs but they are a turtle tank like pld? But I am pretty sure PLD abilities that hold hate have little to do with dps and have built in hate mechanics. Unless I am missing something.

In fact I might even go so far as to say a PLD might be able to hold hate without doing any dps if he had unlimited MP? I am sure we have all lazily flashed and not bothered to target a trash mob that some dps is blowing all its cooldowns on, or thrown a provoke and a flash.

Will this help you beat an encounter when you are short 10%. No the extra dps squeezed out will be great. But I think we are talking about base tanking and pugging groups.

Nope, all enmity generation from any of the tanks comes from strength. Even the enmity from Flash. A PLD with more strength will always generate more enmity than a PLD with less.
Enmity generation is based off of damage, with modifiers for enmity-combo attacks and your tank stance. For example, Rage of Halone has a 5* enmity modifier, and Shield Oath has a 2* enmity modifier. That means that you'll generate 10* as much enmity as the damage you do with a single activation of Rage of Halone while in Shield Oath.
Flash skips the damage bit entirely, but still scales entirely off of strength. If you don't have strength, you don't get hate.

So while a PLD might be able to hold hate without doing damage if he were given unlimited MP, it'd be stupid not to do something.

Also, healing only ever gives trouble with hate when the healer is an asshat and insists on precasting regen.