Ninja: Heaven-Sword (And Beyond)

[Phireblast]

I've used Pingzapper and WTFast, and my Mudras still suck. I'm even on the east coast too. I'm screwed, aren't I? For some reason, my mudras are only flawless when in FPS drop heavy fights(read: S ranks or CT), or when i'm in my housing area in the mist where it on occasion is smooth, which is dumb because something like that normally works the other way around.

[Amykat83]

very good guide

[Aiurily]

when it comes to openers, most people either use the DoT opener or the DE after 4 GCDs (slash debuff first>fang>mutilate) opener. for the latter, has anyone found anything better than this? it seems like people are still using the 15s huton wait instead of suiton precasting, even with armor crush making huton not tied to ninjutsu anymore..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=48ATejxPsSI


suiton precast prepull so there's no 3 step mudra clipping during your rotation

internal wears off right before duality AE, which can't crit at all anyway

xpot wears off after duality AE and jugulate, the end of your burst effectively

your dots are fully buffed

all of your burst in the TA window. kassatsu fuma so you double weave dwad+mug with TA window and still hit duality AE; you can probably get away with kassatsu raiton with fey wind. and with fey wind you can probably hit the jugulate in the TA window too.

by using prepull suiton and letting your huton tick for 22s effectively prepull, compared to the traditional 15s, you set yourself up for a DE>duality AE>DE>AC>DE>AC>DE>AC rotation, right until when your BFB comes up, where you can do BFB buffed AE and BFB buffed duality AE in bfb window, because of the armor crush timings lining themselves up with it. with the 15s huton wait rotation, you end up doing something like DE>duality AE>DE>AC>DE>AE, or AC at 47s on huton (7s clip). if you do AE, then you will end up doing 1 armor crush during your 2nd BFB window instead of an AE.

having BFB be cast after DE means your 2nd BFB will line up with duality and dwad for a decent dps boost.(https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mujSJ90GnA&t=1m33s). BFB cast after DE will last for [SE>fang>mutilate>SE>GS>AE>SE>GS>DE>SE], whereas the old opener with BFB after your first SE will last for [GS>DE>SE>fang>mutilate>SE>GS>AE>SE]; so not really a big deal to delaying it like this, because you still have BFB for your dots and your burst window. in reality if you're opening with suiton, it's the only real place to put BFB, because the other option would be suiton>SE>bfb>gs>xpot>de>IR, which doesn't align with your 2nd duality/de without significant bfb delay, and your 2nd IR doesn't align as well with your 2nd dot reapplication either, while also being wasted on the duality AE that can't crit

whether in the future its worth it to delay bfb to align it with your subsequent dwad/dualitys is to be seen; it'll also depend on your dot timings for your 3rd bfb and on ofc

[Arkenne]

Alightment of buffs for the 2nd blow based on opener

Hrm... will need to see about this.

I also like to precast suiton for my opener when possible, but these tanks... the Suiton precast works for me so long the pull happens between the 50~20 seconds of Huton remaining... since well, obviously, if Ninjutsu isn't available by the pull then we can't precast Suiton, and if the timer goes below 20 then we won't make it in time for AC (if the timer goes under 30 AC must be Dualed instead of AE too).

I've noticed tho, that if the opener goes Suiton > SE > BFB > GS > Kas > DE > IR > SE > TA, BFB is back right in time to be used in combination with TA once more, albeit you have to pause for like 0.3 seconds to make this happen.
I haven't really paid attention to how far the second BFB gets into my rotation, but I believe the 2nd Duality was used on AC by precasting Suiton on the 50 seconds remaining time at the start of the dummy fight...

Your point about IR and Duality is also something that's been concerning me, maybe I would be able to finally implement the xpot if I use IR sooner instead... hrm...

[SunnyHirose]

Hello,
The slashing debuff is a reduction from target's "resistance", it should not be treated as increased damage on the skill but as increased damage on the target.
This would be: Fuma = (240*1.2) / 0.9 = 320
While Raiton is (360*1) / 1 = 360 since there are neither damage buffs (x1 multiplier) nor reduction from target's resistance (Divide by 1 for the resistance).
It may not look like a big increase but it does matter if you take all the multiplier from others stats, especially if you take the mudra cd in the maths.

The / 0.9 thing has been inspected many times and has been demonstrated to be a 110% damage effect, not a 111.11% damage effect. It's just not how resistance works in this game.

[2jays2day]

Curious to know what you guys are parsing in fights. Ravana, A4 and the such. Im Ilvl 185 and I finally broke 1k tonight in A4. No food, no pots. Sucked in twice. Did have another ninja, but I was putting up DE debuff. I know they all depend on a lot of factors just curious as to what numbers other NIN connoisseurs are seeing.

[Pluvia]

Hey guys this is what I was looking at as WE know nothing setup whole point was to stay away from the cancer that is Skillspeed lol.
Can swap between the more crit heavy food or acc heavy food depending on what the acc requirements are.
http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QYL0

[LordTiberiusRex]

Oh damn I forgot there was a new thread.
*snipped rest*

SURPRISE, ****!

Thanks for the guides Firana. I'll add them under "Additional Sources" under Part IV.

Also guys, I'm sticking to weekly/patch updates or hotfixes so I can still have plenty of time to spare elsewhere--like sacrifices to RNGesus for HQ fish--and not burn myself out. Bulk of the guide's done, so there's plenty for you all to read :P

Off-topic: I'm also writing up a proposal to post in the forums/Reddit implementing Samurai in 3.0 as well. As a DPS role.

To sum: "Patch 3.05:" Updated BiS with 572 accuracy caps (for Ravana EX) with and without food. Added YouTube guides, per Firana's post.

[Griffeth]

Any resources out there for the alexander accuracy caps? Any idea if its going to be much higher than Rav EX?

[LordTiberiusRex]

If you mean Alexander NM, I've heard it's lower than EX primals (though surprisingly few linkable sources to prove the claim).

I'm expecting Alex Savage to have a higher ACC requirement. If it does--or if the EX primal ACC cap I have is incorrect--then I'll change them accordingly.