Curious on opinion. Smn or Mch. Which would you pick?

[FreeLancer4]

Except a class shouldn't only be useful in endgame content and a burden in other content. A well-built support class supports the party through everything, not just in a couple of instances.

It isn't really a burden when the class is played well. Many who complain are just simply bad at the job. Its not on top by no means, but if your failing dps checks, either your party is lacking or more knowledge/practice is needed on your part.

[Ryaz]

It isn't really a burden when the class is played well. Many who complain are just simply bad at the job. Its not on top by no means, but if your failing dps checks, either your party is lacking or more knowledge/practice is needed on your part.

I haven't had too many problems personally and I tend to be 2nd on the list, but any good DRG, monk or ninja will beat me easily even if I do everything perfectly. I'd have no problems with that if my abilities were actually supporting them all the time, but they aren't. They're too situational for that. We may be able to clear the content ok, but I've literally had people tell me they're worried about me in Bismarck because I'm a MCH, even if I'm doing better than the other dps.

[FreeLancer4]

It's a stigma unfortunately that happens all to often, when a job that looks awesome has baddies flock to it, people will just blame what they believe to be the weakest link based on what were likely many bad prior experiences. That and many have cried out that BRD/MCH are bad and by extension those that play them are bad. I myself was in a Ravana Farm with a bard drg and nin for dps, all of whom I was told by the bard I was outdps'ing consistently and by no small margin. The bard and myself were kicked after a few failed attempts. I really was only there to find out where my MCH stood in terms of DPS to Ravana, as I had farmed the weapon on my smn prior, so it didn't hurt me none, but its still a little sad to know these things happen.

[Greywolfamakir]

It isn't really a burden when the class is played well. Many who complain are just simply bad at the job. Its not on top by no means, but if your failing dps checks, either your party is lacking or more knowledge/practice is needed on your part.

omg...this doesn't have sense for me...MCH and BRD does less Damage than other Jobs because Guns and Bows have less Weapon Damage than the others weapons...

People think like "If You are crying about MCH saying that You do less damage than others jobs, You are bad MCH, You dont know how to use him becouse When I play MCH in Duty Finder or with my Static, I'm Top DPS !!"...omg...Your static sucks men !!!
If You are a good player and You play with good players too, You are gonna do the worst damage of the group...AT THE SAME SKILL LEVEL...I don't give a shit duty finder DPS...I'm top DPS in every Ravana Ext in DF, then, is MCH the highest DPS of the world ????? no...people are just bad...

[Kona_Nightwind]

omg...this doesn't have sense for me...MCH and BRD does less Damage than other Jobs because Guns and Bows have less Weapon Damage than the others weapons...

People think like "If You are crying about MCH saying that You do less damage than others jobs, You are bad MCH, You dont know how to use him becouse When I play MCH in Duty Finder or with my Static, I'm Top DPS !!"...omg...Your static sucks men !!!
If You are a good player and You play with good players too, You are gonna do the worst damage of the group...AT THE SAME SKILL LEVEL...I don't give a shit duty finder DPS...I'm top DPS in every Ravana Ext in DF, then, is MCH the highest DPS of the world ????? no...people are just bad...

If you count the dps other classes gain from a properly played support class than they don't do less dps.

[Greywolfamakir]

If you count the dps other classes gain from a properly played support class than they don't do less dps.

If We do that, DRG and NIN are the best Supports ever. Battle Litany + Trick Attack.
At the moment my party doesn't need TP or MP, I got tired to be a burden for my team and I'm playing like NIN every encounter, and I'm doing the best support like NIN, every 60 seconds, all my mates do +10% damage, and I'm top/second DPS...THAT IS TRUE SUPPORT !!!!

[Kona_Nightwind]

If We do that, DRG and NIN are the best Supports ever. Battle Litany + Trick Attack.
At the moment my party doesn't need TP or MP, I got tired to be a burden for my team and I'm playing like NIN every encounter, and I'm doing the best support like NIN, every 60 seconds, all my mates do +10% damage, and I'm top/second DPS...THAT IS TRUE SUPPORT !!!!

I was trying to make it simple. Mch/BRD dps buff uptime is a lot more than those other classes. If you take into account all the utility, most groups in savage will bring them for progression. All current content can be cleared with every class so what's the problem.

[Greywolfamakir]

I was trying to make it simple. Mch/BRD dps buff uptime is a lot more than those other classes. If you take into account all the utility, most groups in savage will bring them for progression. All current content can be cleared with every class so what's the problem.

Problem it's just You have to play like DRG/NIN/MNK/SMN/BLM if during NON-progress You dont wanna feel like a burden for your team. There are people who never feel like a burden and They are doing no dps and eating every AoE possible

[RiceisNice]

Problem it's just You have to play like DRG/NIN/MNK/SMN/BLM if during NON-progress You dont wanna feel like a burden for your team. There are people who never feel like a burden and They are doing no dps and eating every AoE possible

MCH/BRD isn't that far behind that it'd be considered a burden. I don't necessarily agree that they should naturally be low on dps just for being a "support" class, esp when they already do less damage for using support abilities, but it's nowhere near the abyssal levels as it was before (and even that wasn't enough to justify benching them)

[Kona_Nightwind]

Problem it's just You have to play like DRG/NIN/MNK/SMN/BLM if during NON-progress You dont wanna feel like a burden for your team. There are people who never feel like a burden and They are doing no dps and eating every AoE possible

The classes aren't burdens, the players are. The BLM pulling 300 dps and dying to mechanics is a burden, because I have to change my entire playstyle to account for him. The MCH pulling 700 dps and following mechanics, doesn't phase me at all.