SCH vs AST?

[Tashim]

Lol don't worry about being that guy. If it not "use search" its "don't necro" or "don't derail"

Question though, how does it have less 'oh-shit' stuff than SCH?
AB is instant on gcd
ED is instant
Benefic II is a proc for instant
Light speed causes several things to be instant

I guess where im coming from is AST definitely doesnt throw out WHM heals, but SCH doesnt either and is still considered good. SCH has lustrate saves, but AST has access to more AoE than SCH and its saves are more accessible

As a sch, I usually out-heal a whitemage, but maybe thats not the norm.
SCH instant heals don't lower healing potency by 25%
Sacred Soil, can be used twice a minute, allows scholar to keep casting and moving. Larger radius than Collective Unconscious too
Shadow Flare (aoe slow)
Fey Illumination: 20% healing buff
Fey Convalescence: 20% magic resistance
Dissipate: 20% healing buff
Lustrate/Indominability
Eye for an Eye
Virus

AST has a slightly higher mana pool than SCH, but vastly smaller mana recovery options.
An instant cast benefic2 doesn't help increase healing throughput, it simply gives you the heal at the start of the GCD instead of after it.
This is good for times when a dps accidentally takes a hit they shouldn't, and somehow barely survives, but its not good when you need *burst* healing for 20 seconds.
Essential Dignity is amazing, but its the only real emergency tool that AST have.
Not having eye for an eye is a huge drawback, but it doesn't surprise me that many people fail to see its value.

AST doesn't have any cooldowns to increase potency, only to decrease it. Arrow card on self is the only way they can increase their effective healing throughput, or a bole card, which is less effective than sacred soil. Neither card can be reliably used for an "emergency" without negating the only real support that they can offer.

AST can heal within normal range just fine, its when you try to push the limits of what is possible that their shortcomings show clearly. Try running a dungeon where you pull 4 groups of trash at a time, watch the tank pop cooldowns, and the AST, try as they might, have a very hard cap on how much healing throughput they can do in a 30s burst window. Both WHM and SCH will leave them in the dust.

Hopefully SE will address their shortcomings before savage comes out. It is a fun class, it just feels handicapped right now.

[Parawill]

AST doesn't have any cooldowns to increase potency, only to decrease it.

OMG. You have no idea how hard I just laughed at this. This is as blunt as it gets. Oh my goodness! I love you!

[Leiloni]

As a sch, I usually out-heal a whitemage, but maybe thats not the norm.

The only people who should outheal a WHM is another WHM unless somebody is doing something really wrong. Either the WHM is really slacking or you are really overhealing by a lot. Especially since SCH focuses more on preventing damage than healing it back up.

[Krixus]

As a sch, I usually out-heal a whitemage, but maybe thats not the norm.

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

[GideonHighmourn]

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

It's fully possible, whether you think it is or not. Especially the AST part; while in PF, I often outheal ASTs by 50% or more while maintaining 250+ DPS on SCH in Alexander. Just because you're not capable of doing it, doesn't mean other people aren't. And the 1k HPS part? Seriously? With Indomitability and Emergency Tactics, SCH's burst healing capacity is pretty beefy.

[Miiu]

I have to agree with GideonHighmourn here. @Rav EX I am pretty consistent with 1.3k (without fairy) hps and that is if I don't just spam my abilties because of why not.

[MidnightTundra]

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

Either your SCHs are terrible or they're sitting in Cleric Stance for 80% of the fight.

[QuinX]

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

can please stop making scholars looks like sux class? in 3.0 scholars are really fine healer class -.- i can pull +1.5 ~2k HPS anytime anywhere, can solo heal RavanaEX without problem like any other WHM (dont have 190 wpn yet from that bug >,..,< )

http://i.imgur.com/Y6DNIG0.png

im only leveling WHM now because im fed up with double scholar everywhere ~.~

[Taika]

Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

A bit off topic, but last week I was running floor 4 on SCH with a random WHM partner. We were struggling with keeping the party alive and wiped over and over and I was wondering out loud what the hell was going on (I had only cleared the fight once before while the WHM claimed to have beaten it tons of times). After we decided to vote abandon someone told me I had been doing 1,5 times the HPS the WHM had. Queued again and one-shot it with another SCH.

There are all kinds of healers out there for all the healer jobs.