SCH vs AST?

[Miiu]

I have to agree with GideonHighmourn here. @Rav EX I am pretty consistent with 1.3k (without fairy) hps and that is if I don't just spam my abilties because of why not.

[MidnightTundra]

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

Either your SCHs are terrible or they're sitting in Cleric Stance for 80% of the fight.

[QuinX]

Ahahaha, that was a good laugh.

I rarely see a sch break even 1k HPS including their fairy. While a whm that is nodding off will be 1500+. Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

can please stop making scholars looks like sux class? in 3.0 scholars are really fine healer class -.- i can pull +1.5 ~2k HPS anytime anywhere, can solo heal RavanaEX without problem like any other WHM (dont have 190 wpn yet from that bug >,..,< )

http://i.imgur.com/Y6DNIG0.png

im only leveling WHM now because im fed up with double scholar everywhere ~.~

[Taika]

Mitigation is the name of the game for sch, you will never outheal a whm or astro. And you can't count shields into HPS because things like succor are often not used because the player didnt take dmg. Obviously this doesnt reflect anything bad about sch's, I just thought it was hilarious he said he outheals whms.

A bit off topic, but last week I was running floor 4 on SCH with a random WHM partner. We were struggling with keeping the party alive and wiped over and over and I was wondering out loud what the hell was going on (I had only cleared the fight once before while the WHM claimed to have beaten it tons of times). After we decided to vote abandon someone told me I had been doing 1,5 times the HPS the WHM had. Queued again and one-shot it with another SCH.

There are all kinds of healers out there for all the healer jobs.

[Yumi_umi]

Ast is a healer made for near if not perfect parties. Their buffs only shine when ur party is good etc.
There is kinda no middle ground atm with ast.
Being in a good party or a bad one will heavily dictate ur job's usefullness as healing stupid/ failed mechanic dmg is really hard as ast.
Player skill can only do so much till u hit that brick wall of i just cant. Then SE tells u to get good and play even better.
Y u do thissssss ;-;

[NamiNamai]

I personally think that AST bring some very interesting things to the party. Depending on their stance they make a good compliment to both WHM and SCH, in theory. Actual implimentation depends on the skill of the player and your party mates. Personally? I think they're fun, they really do require you to be on top of things because your mistakes are more easily seen. However as you get more comfortable to them they are a perfectly fun and fine class. This is just based on my experience with them.

Though I do find it unfair to hold them directly up against SCH or WHM since the playstyle that AST offers isn't really the same as either of the other two available healing classes.

[o3o]

I personally think that AST bring some very interesting things to the party. Depending on their stance they make a good compliment to both WHM and SCH, in theory. Actual implimentation depends on the skill of the player and your party mates. Personally? I think they're fun, they really do require you to be on top of things because your mistakes are more easily seen. However as you get more comfortable to them they are a perfectly fun and fine class. This is just based on my experience with them.

Though I do find it unfair to hold them directly up against SCH or WHM since the playstyle that AST offers isn't really the same as either of the other two available healing classes.

the thing is that yes, you have to hold them up to either whm or sch, because they compete for spots in raid partys. they both have the same basic role. and that is to keep the party alive. and as it stands the things you lose from not having either a whm or a sch and subbing one for a astro is not as good as just having the tried and tested whm and sch combo.

ofc its completely viable if you have an astro + whatever. just its not as powerful as the whm sch wombo combo.

[Tranquil]

Why are you guys even talking about HPS as if it meant something? It's not some competition where you maximize your numerical throughput in the same way you minmax DPS. I would be more interested in the overhealing % and the added extra contribution in terms of off-DPS. Look, I have all this HPS! Wohoo.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Why's the only sane reply in this topic being ignored?

Why are you guys even talking about HPS as if it meant something? It's not some competition where you maximize your numerical throughput in the same way you minmax DPS. I would be more interested in the overhealing % and the added extra contribution in terms of off-DPS. Look, I have all this HPS! Wohoo.

[zuzu-bq]

Why's the only sane reply in this topic being ignored?

Because people like to see big numbers. It's like when people complain about AST's randomness and then they say SCH should totally aim for crits. I've been liking Tranquil's replies a lot since I've joined the forum.