SCH vs AST?

[winsock]

Been hearing alot that AST healing is worse than WHM/SCH?

How exactly is this class worse than SCH?

[Miiu]

I hate to be that guy but there are multi pages threads right below you discussion this topic. The bottom line is AST isn't as reliable as the other two are because of less emergency heals and oh-shit that is happening buttons. But really to get a full understanding please read those threads.

[Rajeme]

It's like one hundred thousand times worse. If a WHM/SCH heals 1000, AST will heal for 10. Not to mention 20s cast time for benefic doesn't help either.

[Arcana]

If you are not trolling, then you just should read one of the hundred post talking about this. The search function is your friend.

[o3o]

il point out a few things...

sch heals are stronger in general on top of having a healing pet that constantly pumps out heals.
sch has a much easier time with mp then astro because they have aetherflow.
sch currently now has a powerful oh shit button that can be used 9 times back to back to back with a 1 second recast time that can be used while moving.
sch has better and more reliable damage support then astro just in the selene pet which spams a action speed buff with a 30 sec durration and 60 sec cd (50% up time) on top of already doing more damage while the pet is still pumping out heals.


asto has weaker heals then the other 2 healers in general in exchange for being able to choose its healing style (hot's or shielding) and RNG buffs that are for the most part unreliable.
astro has a buff that actually lowers its healing power considerably in exchange for instant casting which is for the most part useless because a swiftcasted heal is usually enough for most situations and doesn't lower your healing potency by 25% for 15 seconds.
essential dignity is the only real oh shit button they have that is about the power of a cure II only when the tank is about to die with a 40 sec recast time
they have a harder time with MP then the other 2 healers due to only having luminous aether as the only means to recover mp.
their bubble skill collective unconscious is very clunky (cannot move at all or use any actions while its up, you have to be in the spot you want it to be because it is not placed) while being exactly the same as either sch placed sacred soil or whm placed hot bubble depending on the stance.

[Krixus]

You are seeing alot of bias so far, so I will give you the facts.

Astro can handle all current content fine, but there is reasonable worry for savage Alex. Their heals and mp management is slightly lower than the other healers. Not a huge difference but over the course of a fight the parse does show this. They have one powerful emergency heal (have personally done 10k with it) but only one, 40 sec CD. The biggest thing I would say is its quite hard to carry mistakes like I used to on whm in DF groups.

In most content I have been parsing as astro much better than the sch's I've run into, and that's including their fairy. But I believe this is more of a skill problem, skilled sch's are few and far between, but the good ones will trump astro by a good bit. Whm are truley a powerhouse right now, in Alex fights lately I've been around 1400-1500 HPS on astro where whm are 1500-1800. Sch for has been around 1000-1100 (300 being fairy) then whatever shield mitigation added in.

[Arcana]

You are seeing alot of bias so far, so I will give you the facts.

Astro can handle all current content fine, but there is reasonable worry for savage Alex. Their heals and mp management is slightly lower than the other healers. Not a huge difference

We are like SCH on MP? not a huge difference? Yeah, we all know you love the AST (i do it too), but you are never realistic in your comments...

[Rewind]

Been hearing alot that AST healing is worse than WHM/SCH?

How exactly is this class worse than SCH?

Neither are worse than the other, each class has its own benefits and different roles in raid.
WHM is a solid raid healer
SCH is a solid mitigation healer
AST will be a solid support healer

There is little reason to start the who is better debate (none are better), especially due to the fact SE has admitted to AST needing a lot of card changes. It's too preemptive to make judgement. Furthermore, it is too preemptive to make judgement based on the current level of content, when we have no idea what savage will be about.

[Krixus]

We are like SCH on MP? not a huge difference? Yeah, we all know you love the AST (i do it too), but you are never realistic in your comments...

Nah with spear on LA, CO to add 5 more seconds of refresh, and self ewers I feel I have better mp management than I did on my whm in 2.0. I guess maybe some don't utilize thier options which might cause worse mp issues. But my comment was very realistic, I even leaned towards saying astro is worse than the other two, what do you all want to hear lol.

[Seryl199]

AST abilities excel at sustaining the party. A lot of its abilities, while slightly lower potency than other classes, also cost a bit less MP. Avoiding overheal and utilizing HoT's smartly will keep your rate of MP consumption pretty stable.

However, when players start making mistakes or AST falls behind, that overheal becomes harder to avoid, and AST must use its basic healing kit to catch up. WHM has DS, Tetragrammaton, Assize, Benediction, and Asylum, while SCH has Lustrate, Indomitability, and the fairy's sustained healing and CD's, depending on the fairy, as entirely MP free ways of catching up. AST only has Essential Dignity, an instant fire heal that scales up to 1000 potency based on the target's remaining HP, and Synastry, which gives 50% of your heals to a single target.

This means that AST will be casting more heals in comparison to SCH or WHM, so they must be more vigilant of their MP, as patching up continued mistakes will take a toll on AST the hardest. However, when things are going smoothly, mechanics are handled properly and excessive damage is avoided, AST really shines. It can maintain HoT's without straining itself, throw down buffs to conserve the party's resources or pass DPS checks faster, and has strong mobility, allowing it to heal while dealing with mechanics or dodging.