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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    Why is it so hard to understand? The drop rate for shaft is 66.6% per clear, and for 6 player (only), u need 37 clears to have total of 24 shaft to drop. Yeah if you get all 4 at the first 4 trys, sure you are lucky, but what about the other 7 people? If you are in a STATIC which everyone is talking about, can u just say "fuck it, u guys are on your own, i am out"? So eventually, doesn't matter how soon you (or someone very lucky) get their chest piece, community as a whole has to go thru that avg. 40 runs.
    I'm actually perfectly good with everyone in my static guaranteed getting a drop every week, even if it takes multiple runs. In Coil, at best two people got lucky and the rest got the shaft (sorry, I had to). Just as often, you ended up with two pieces of gear that nobody really needed, but you were stuck for the week anyway because you already got your clear. RNGesus flips you the bird yet again, and you have to pray harder next week.

    Did you also miss the part where you can only get one token per floor per week? You can't even get four shafts in one week, so why is the fact that it takes approximately 37 runs total for six people to get that even a consideration? So what? That's 37 runs over the course of four weeks. You run it several times a week. It shouldn't be much more than six, because the tank body is awful and no tank should be touching that thing with a ten foot pole anyway, so you should only need the chest piece for six people. The other floors, you don't even need to run that much. The great part is that everyone in your static gets the drops they want. Everyone in your static is happy, instead of completely disappointed that the chests contained a dragoon belt and the ninth set of white mage gloves (even the floor owns some now! yay! everyone loves floor drops!).

    You're going to need a lot more proof than this to convince me that this is worse than Coil's loot system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Did you also miss the part where you can only get one token per floor per week? You can't even get four shafts in one week, so why is the fact that it takes approximately 37 runs total for six people to get that even a consideration? So what? That's 37 runs over the course of four weeks.
    So 37 runs in 4 weeks isn't a problem since you only need to run maybe 8-10 times per weeks right? Then why is coils a problem when you only need to do it for 20 times and 1 times per weeks? You see? Your logic is obviously false. And you want to talk about floor drops? How about those 40 runs where nobody going to bother rolling for crank/spring when everyone is trying to get shaft? Also guess what, you already starting to see Chain from A1 hit the floors at 2nd weeks, it won't take long till all the Chain and Bolt will hit floors. Now do you still want to discuss more about floor drops?

    And to correct you, 37 runs are base on only 6 people need the chest, if all 8 people need the chest, you need 48 runs to generate enough shaft.
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    Last edited by senjyo; 07-16-2015 at 10:12 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    Your logic is obviously false.
    Yours is obviously MIA. I'm done here, lol. xD

    Now do you still want to discuss more about floor drops?
    Nah. I'm gonna go farm Alex with my static instead. ^^
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ashkendor View Post
    Yours is obviously MIA. I'm done here, lol. xD



    Nah. I'm gonna go farm Alex with my static instead. ^^
    Yup, I guess someone is running out of "logic" and "excuse". Bye, and btw u still farming alex? LOL
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    Yup, I guess someone is running out of "logic" and "excuse". Bye, and btw u still farming alex? LOL
    Has it not occurred to you that some people actually like farming Alexander?
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    Quote Originally Posted by WinterLuna View Post
    Has it not occurred to you that some people actually like farming Alexander?
    Like how people enjoy farming coils, hunts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    Like how people enjoy farming coils, hunts?
    Uh, yeah, people enjoy farming coil and hunts. Lmao.
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    Quote Originally Posted by senjyo View Post
    So 37 runs in 4 weeks isn't a problem since you only need to run maybe 8-10 times per weeks right? Then why is coils a problem when you only need to do it for 20 times and 1 times per weeks? You see? Your logic is obviously false. And you want to talk about floor drops? How about those 40 runs where nobody going to bother rolling for crank/spring when everyone is trying to get shaft? Also guess what, you already starting to see Chain from A1 hit the floors at 2nd weeks, it won't take long till all the Chain and Bolt will hit floors. Now do you still want to discuss more about floor drops?

    And to correct you, 37 runs are base on only 6 people need the chest, if all 8 people need the chest, you need 48 runs to generate enough shaft.
    48 on average, you're still dependent on RNG not giving you 2x cranks every time you beat A4.
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