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  1. #71
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    Lyrica_Ashtine's Avatar
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    Sadako Yamamura
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyburz View Post
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    Here is exactly where you're in the wrong. You seem to think the healer is either in dps mode full time or healing full time and there's no middle ground or flexibility. There's been examples of healer pairs doing 400 dps combined and no one dies and healer pairs doing none at all and no one dies. The former pair obviously put in a bit more effort for the same result as the latter.

    You mentioned solo healing stuff, that's fine, one healer can be a supportive healer and aid you only when needed. If you're solo healing and overhealing for 80% worth, that's 80% effort wasted which could have gone into other activities. Passing the brands in T12 (by your example) would be one of them. But also by your logic, healers shouldn't be doing this either as they can't be healing while performing mechanics.
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  2. #72
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    Zari Lutus
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    Here is the problem here, keyburz. You claim healers shouldnt dps. And yes, they dont NEED to. But that doesn't mean it wouldnt make them a better player for it if they know how to manage it.

    If they can add dps without burning too much mp or causing problems for the other healer (if in 8 man content) then why not? "The tank will die!" Not if said healer knows the simple thing of when to stop dpsing. Healers that dont know how to do that are the ones that shouldnt be dpsing. People cant force you as a healer to dps but I will dps as a healer whether you like it or not because i actually know how to.
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  3. #73
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    Oh, also, just proves how well you know the healer classes:
    Dropping the accuracy to 1 will hardly do anything towards scholars and astrologian as majority of their damage come from DoTs - or at least half of it in case of scholars.
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  4. #74
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyrica_Ashtine View Post
    Oh, also, just proves how well you know the healer classes:
    Dropping the accuracy to 1 will hardly do anything towards scholars and astrologian as majority of their damage come from DoTs - or at least half of it in case of scholars.
    Partly true. Dropping accuracy to 1 would affect WHMs the most. SCHs could still bring in Bio II, Bio and Shadow Flare. ASTs could still bring in Combust and Combust II. WHMs could...cry.
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    Drago Xhula
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    Partly true. Dropping accuracy to 1 would affect WHMs the most. SCHs could still bring in Bio II, Bio and Shadow Flare. ASTs could still bring in Combust and Combust II. WHMs could...cry.
    close but you forgot miasma and miasma 2
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  6. #76
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    Gallus, lyrica never mentioned WHM.
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  7. #77
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragoelete View Post
    close but you forgot miasma and miasma 2
    Miasma and miasma 2 would miss. Every spell with initial damage can potentially miss. Only those DoTS that do not have initial damage can't miss (eg. Bio II, Bio, Combust, Combust II).

    Quote Originally Posted by HyperNovaX View Post
    Gallus, lyrica never mentioned WHM.
    However, he/she was quoting a poster who wished all healers accuracy dropped to 1 expecting that would eliminate the possibility for any of the 3 healers to DPS, when the only real thing that would probably do is automatically make the WHM not viable in 1st world clears. Just thought it was relevant enough to mention ^^
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  8. #78
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    Ghishlain Pyrial
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gallus View Post
    However, he/she was quoting a poster who wished all healers accuracy dropped to 1 expecting that would eliminate the possibility for any of the 3 healers to DPS, when the only real thing that would probably do is automatically make the WHM not viable in 1st world clears. Just thought it was relevant enough to mention ^^
    I agree with this line to. If the accuracy checks are real for Alexander Savage, then despite ASTs shortcomings, they'll probably be taken over a WHM due to their guaranteed DPS potential.

    P.S.

    Why does every third or fourth thread in this forum eventually devolve into this DPS arguement? >>;...
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  9. #79
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    Shinonome Sanada
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Why does every third or fourth thread in this forum eventually devolve into this DPS arguement? >>;...
    - The average healer being a self-important dweeb. Yoshi says that being basic/average is good enough for clearing the hardest content, so stop taking offense to being called mediocre/not doing your very best, instead of good/excellent.
    - The average healer being a self-important dweeb. There's more to good healers than just adding DPS to your repertoire. Not DPSing doesn't automatically make you bad.
    - People being absolutely horrible at posting balanced arguments, i.e. "there's a time for DPS, and there are times to not DPS" and not "That Ladybug began casting Teraflare the moment I hovered over Cleric Stance, true story" or "Begin DPSing before I break into your house and replace all your actions on the bar with /grovel commands"

    Pick one poison, I suppose.
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  10. #80
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    Viva Diva
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    Quote Originally Posted by keyburz View Post
    You're saying in turn 1-13 there are parts where the bosses are literally doing zero damage for 20 seconds? not auto attacking? not doing medium strength hits? Because i could have sworn they all did auto attacks the entire time (or from adds that spawn), and medium strength hits, NOT just huge tank busters.
    Funny you mention T13. All the T13 farm groups on my server would kick a scholar who wouldn't dps. It pushed all the phases so much faster it was expected the scholar would pump out a moderate amount of dps. If dps was low a scholar who didn't stance dance shouldered a portion of the blame. If dps was solid the group would still opt to replace for someone who could help get them even faster clears.
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