Law Healer gear needs Accuracy.

[keyburz]

Emmmm we're talking about healer DPS no?
I can choose to dps in 4 man, I can choose not to.
I can choose to dps in 8 man, I can choose not to.

Seems relevant to me!!

Or if it makes you happy, maybe I'll create another situation where Healers A and B did 400 dps each while keeping group alive, while Healers C and D did 0.

HAHA! NO! Thats not what the point of this thread is even about. Did you even read the title? We're talking about adding accuracy to healer equipment to hit accuracy checks. We are not talking about whether dpsing as a healer is good or bad. The only dungeons that have an accuracy issue for healers is in 8 man raid content. Four man dungeons are not relevant here.

[keyburz]

As for " another situation where Healers A and B did 400 dps each while keeping group alive, while Healers C and D did 0." then we are talking about 8 man content which is raid tier, in which case I would say the same issue, which you have yet to refute: Unnecessary mana consumption, attention diversion.

[DreamWeaver]

Never judge a book by its cover, or in this case its title, as it has already been derailed to hell and back from the very 1st page.

Why do you even bother trying to nitpick with me in the 1st place then? You should have just straight away tell me to LOOK AT THE TITLE!!
Instead you went along with me and started talking about "once you stance dance, you won't look at the party list anymore" etc (btw I think Gallus is waiting for your answer).

If "Attention Diversion" is an issue when you DPS, the solution is a healthy dose of GIT GUD.
If I end the fight with 60% MP, means I should have spent that 60% DPSing, knowing how to judge your MP consumption and deciding whether to DPS or not is another skill a healer need to learn if he/she wishes to excel.
Anyway I said my piece, so peace out!

[keyburz]

Stuff

I have not ran Ravana Ex yet, nor do I even know what liberations are, but I'm assuming youre talking about when he's chatting it up and charging up the big hit for 20 seconds. Thats blatantly obvious that everyone should be trying to dps at that point. On that note, 8 man content was designed to be beaten by a party minus healer dps. If youre failing to clear even with healer dps, you have a bigger issue then a healer doing less then half of a damage dealing class.

[Gallus]

(btw I think Gallus is waiting for your answer).

Indeed. I just don't know what is even up with these guys seriously, it's like there's a red wall over there, most of the people can clearly notice it's red, yet they keep insisting it's blue.
Do 1st world clear groups have their healers DPSing? Yes. Do they look concerned about this unnecessary mana consumption or attention diversion you speak of? No. Discussion should end here.

HOWEVER...

Should we discriminate healers for not DPSing? No. Is insulting players a nice thing to do? No. Is the sky blue? Yes. Am I a jerk for pointing out the sky is blue? No.

[Gallus]

I have not ran Ravana Ex yet, nor do I even know what liberations are, but I'm assuming youre talking about when he's chatting it up and charging up the big hit for 20 seconds. Thats blatantly obvious that everyone should be trying to dps at that point.

Exactly. These downtimes exist, and they may not be as obvious as REX liberations, but they are there, and many of them are almost as blatant, I could literally make you an entire list going through T1-13 and every EX primal and I'd be typing until tomorrow morning.

On that note, 8 man content was designed to be beaten by a party minus healer dps. If youre failing to clear even with healer dps, you have a bigger issue then a healer doing less then half of a damage dealing class.

So? Shouldn't you be concerned about how much you can bring regardless of how much others pull?

[keyburz]

Exactly. These downtimes exist, and they may not be as obvious as REX liberations, but they are there, and many of them are almost as blatant, I could literally make you an entire list going through T1-13 and every EX primal and I'd be typing until tomorrow morning.

You're saying in turn 1-13 there are parts where the bosses are literally doing zero damage for 20 seconds? not auto attacking? not doing medium strength hits? Because i could have sworn they all did auto attacks the entire time (or from adds that spawn), and medium strength hits, NOT just huge tank busters.

[keyburz]

So? Shouldn't you be concerned about how much you can bring regardless of how much others pull?

What I bring? I bring the ability to solo heal the shit out of two tanks eating an akh morn because the white mage fell, and halone help me get him off the ground before i hit zero mana. Im not throwing that away on stupid half ass dps when it may be needed to carry the party to victory with healing. Because clears on up to date content rarely go well. Theyre more likely to scrape by on all healers blowing all mana healing

[keyburz]

Let me give you a little insight into healing hard content. It's hard. I can keep everyone from dying to stupid things, unless it was way too much. I can blow all my cooldowns and adlo the shit out of everyone and everything, and no one will die ever. But guess what? That takes a ton of mana having full unrestricted protection from everything. And sometimes I gotta do that for the next 20 seconds, praying to god that the damage stops. That the other healer gets up, or the other dps, or the other tank. And if it doesnt stop in 20 seconds, I have no more resources. The last thing im going to do is throw away any resources on dpsing unless im absolutly sure everyone is ok, or the other healer has my back while I go into stance.

[keyburz]

People seem to think the healers are just jumping around, healing 1 handed while eating chips, when its time for raiding. If any healers are doing that, theyre wasting everyones time. Go run alexander floor 4 right now with duty finder. It usually ends in a wipe or the healer's mana gone by the end, because the party is not experianced.

"But thats df of course they suck"

If youre running with your raid group, theyre more then capable of clearing it without your dps. They want you to concetrate on healing them so that they, the players that have more armor, take the risks and possibly take high damage, instead of you (the less armor) take the risk and die, or lose someone else.

And as for savage? It was stated to be cleared without healer dps. You wanna try and clear it undergeared and make a kill using healer dps? Go ahead. The dev's are not going to hand you your own hallowed ground and flare cross class.