Bard and how to fix it.

[Blaste]

Seriously I don't like being some kind of turret whenever I play BRD, to the point where I pretty much abandoned the class, We no longer have the freedom and movement in combat, and Im damn well sick of people telling me its ok cause we are a support class, EVERY god damn raid will KICK you out if you don't pull your weight, so that means using WM....and before you say anything yes this does happen, Ive seen it repeatedly with the new Raid content and EX primals, it boils down to us playing the way the developers want us to or not progressing any further with the content, Of course there are some nice groups that will take pity on a BRD and let them remain in the party despite pulling the lowest DPS ranks cause we can sing for our supper...like a good little support turret should.

[Sen_Terrechant]

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It sounds like you should have never rolled Bard to begin with. Bard has ALWAYS been support DPS, before ARR even came out it was known they would be a support DPS. Furthermore you never really needed to run around like a headless chicken bunny hopping, and you still have the option to do that during movement heavy portions (WM is now a toggle with a 15 second cooldown). Furthermore every GOOD group doing REAL PROGRESSION will bring a BRD or MCH. Why you ask? Because they bring the BEST SUPPORT in the entire game, TP song alone would justify their existance by allowing the highest DPS in the party to keep DPSing. Foes is a HUGE boost to casters, and does not affect their damage in the slighestest (and the Physical debuff by MCH is amazing as well).

Not to mention if you are a good player and can adapt to WM, your closer then ever % wise to straight DPS damage then you were pre 3.0.

If you get kicked out of raid content, you might just be a bad player.

[Blaste]

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"Clearly" you know what your talking about considering there are 4 roles in the game....OH WAIT...no theres not, DPS, TANK, and HEALER....NO support, and someone that isn't even BRD shouldn't even be saying anything, otherwsise you'd know that regardless of your songs most groups still require you to use WM, a playstyle we didn't sign up for is being forced onto us or we have to hang up our bows. There is no being a good player, when you've adapted a playstyle that you've used for 2 years to only have the mechanics completely turned on its side.

[Sen_Terrechant]

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Did you just ignore the other three letters after the word support. I didnt say straight support, i said a support DPS. They can do both, the devs themselves have stated on multiple occasions that Bards as a SUPPORT DPS. As in both of those words.
Now im not trying to be a dick here, but you and the other people in this thread are picking and choosing what you want to listen to and ignore.

So what your mechanics were turned on its side? If your a good player you adapted, hell good players could play many different classes with differing mechanics. Your just pissy because someone isnt jumping on the BARD SUCKS bandwagon. Bard is in an excellent spot right now if you can just get over it, better then they have been DPS wise for almost all of ARR (Not counting the very start where BRD was the strongest class because they could outdps everyone while still supporting.. a state it seems that all of you want them to return to).

At this point it really is a get over it or find a new class type of thing, if you are a good player it really shouldnt be that hard to adapt or change. At this point the only things you should even expect is very very minute QoL changes.

Right now BRD/MCH bring the most valuable support in the game for progressing, while bringing better DPS then they ever have been, and that isnt good enough for many of you. Frankly its hilarious.

I can understand being irked at playstyle changes, but it happens. If your a good player you will adapt, because that is what good players do. If your not aparently you take it to the forums and cry your eyes out.

[Blaste]

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Whats that? I can't hear you, must be your opinion means squat since you're not even a bard, seriously people who don't even play the class have no room to complain about other people groaning about the gameplay mechanics, I didn't even bother reading your paragraph of post cause your opinion means little to me.

[lugiaXD]

Did you just ignore the other three letters after the word support. I didnt say straight support, i said a support DPS. They can do both, the devs themselves have stated on multiple occasions that Bards as a SUPPORT DPS. As in both of those words.
Now im not trying to be a dick here, but you and the other people in this thread are picking and choosing what you want to listen to and ignore.

while i can't speak for everyone posting in this thread i can speak for myself and i personally am not picking and choosing what i want to listen to but what i am understanding is that you really don't understand what this thread is for and exactly why people don't like the changes.

So what your mechanics were turned on its side? If your a good player you adapted, hell good players could play many different classes with differing mechanics. Your just pissy because someone isnt jumping on the BARD SUCKS bandwagon. Bard is in an excellent spot right now if you can just get over it, better then they have been DPS wise for almost all of ARR (Not counting the very start where BRD was the strongest class because they could outdps everyone while still supporting.. a state it seems that all of you want them to return to).

well then isn't someone making assumptions here, let me just spell this out for you.
it has been stated multiple times by multiple bards on multiple threads over multiple posts WE DON'T WANT TO BE TOP DPS. it was never our goal and we were perfectly fine with being as low as we were in 2.x. this entire thread was made because we wanted to improve our main class in terms of gameplay, most of the bards suggesting stuff here have already adapted very well with the WM changes but not all of us just want to be good in terms of dps most of us want to be able to enjoy playing our class.

At this point it really is a get over it or find a new class type of thing, if you are a good player it really shouldnt be that hard to adapt or change. At this point the only things you should even expect is very very minute QoL changes.

this may be one of the dumbest things i've read from you, like seriously have you just not read anything in this entire thread? it's not about getting over it it's about trying to fix something that by design is clunky and flawed. it doesn't fit the class' original playstyle at all and while i'm all for complicating the class a bit more i don't want to lose my class in the process. the class feels less like bard and more like Bowmage atm, i feel like SE should just rename us so we can at least have the tag BOM and people can understand what we're about a bit more.
you think it's only a few mechanics changed but we went from being full mobility oGCD management physical ranged support dps (and i will admit it was an easy playstyle which isn't always a good thing and yet people still managed to play it bad) to being mostly fulltime caster sometimes mobile oGCD management physical ranged support DPS.
even as an arcanist you can sacrifice a ruin in order to pop something much bigger cause you have so many other things going for you at a time (DoTs and pet) whereas we lost our AAs (your pets are basically your AAs) and while we got a potency buff all around it still means we need to be using as much as we can with as little movement as possible because that is just straight dps loss. we don't even have any instants we can rely on for giving us he time needed for popping our oGCDs in some sort of manner for the alignment we enjoyed in 2.x. our only instant is straighter shot and that's so unreliable compared to ruin 2 or bio, and if we want a reliable instant we need to cross class feint which is just a potency loss overall.

when you have on average about 12 oGCDs and one that constantly resets whenever it wants and the only reliable instant you can use to help you pop those and still keep alignments for optimum dps is a potency loss there is a flaw in design.

Right now BRD/MCH bring the most valuable support in the game for progressing, while bringing better DPS then they ever have been, and that isnt good enough for many of you. Frankly its hilarious.

for progressing yes but what about when you aren't progressing? seriously at least think through this point a bit better. regardless i agree we're in a good spot with the recent WM buffs but a lot of us still don't like the playstyle while others hate the clunkiness.

I can understand being irked at playstyle changes, but it happens. If your a good player you will adapt, because that is what good players do. If your not aparently you take it to the forums and cry your eyes out.

this isn't about being unable to play our class (though sometimes it feels like that) this is about enjoyment of a class, would you like it if they decided to make smn suddenly require a button combination and then a cast time for some of their skills (if not all)?

cause we went from instant cast and the freedom to weave perfectly to suddenly having a bloody caster mechanic and barely enough time to fit in 1 oGCD between our GCDs and Cast Times and having to worry about using repelling shot for extra dps because it can legitimately destroy a rotation or priority system.

at this point i'd rather be forced into melee range for extra dps so that we can at least not feel so clunky when using our cooldowns because at least then the playstyle still feels natural and flows.

[justinjarjar]

i seriously hate this character limit thing.

you can edit (and if you have too much already just cut then paste back in sucks but at least there is a way around). And I love this forum post working on proc fixes and animation fixes not just a mix of people being antibard and some bards saying not my play style.

[lugiaXD]

you can edit (and if you have too much already just cut then paste back in sucks but at least there is a way around). And I love this forum post working on proc fixes and animation fixes not just a mix of people being antibard and some bards saying not my play style.

that was actually just my placeholder post XD i was in fact editing it while you were replying to me :3

and i agree i like the positive vibe this thread gives over others i'm just getting annoyed at the people that are still just saying "get gud" "learn 2 play" and "get over it" because they're all fairly happy with their class changes.