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    Shandraya Heavenswind
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    Famfrit
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zyrusticae View Post
    SE dun goofed, yo. It's indisputable at this point.
    Your indisputable evidence is a poll that doesn't encompass the entire population?
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    Argentt Seijin
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    Bard Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Aiselia View Post
    Your indisputable evidence is a poll that doesn't encompass the entire population?
    That detailed poll was conducted on Reddit so it's biased toward their population. I'd argue that the population there are going to be more informed and less casual as a whole than the population of the game in general. I'd also say that casual players are even more likely to quit bard due to the increased difficulty of playing the class.
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    Kitty Monsk
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    Lancer Lv 60
    Quote Originally Posted by Argentt View Post
    That detailed poll was conducted on Reddit so it's biased toward their population. I'd argue that the population there are going to be more informed and less casual as a whole than the population of the game in general. I'd also say that casual players are even more likely to quit bard due to the increased difficulty of playing the class.
    IDK about reddit being the best subset of players still. The poll itself however does not show a significant change and for the most part is pretty useless as a tool. As well as casuals are a good chunk of the population and do have a say in the matter (that is like saying poor people should not have a say in government because they contribute less to government overall).

    This is fun teaching people about poll math and ethics . Thanks guys for the interesting view points.
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    Last edited by justinjarjar; 07-15-2015 at 05:27 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by justinjarjar View Post
    IDK about reddit being the best subset of players still. The poll itself however does not show a significant change and for the most part is pretty useless as a tool. As well as casuals are a good chunk of the population and do have a say in the matter (that is like saying poor people should not have a say in government because they contribute less to government overall).
    They're far from the best It's just more of a statement of the general group that reads/posts there. I could say the same applies to people posting here as well though, that they're likely to be less casual and more informed about the game just because they care enough to be posting and trying to improve the game.

    I don't mean to disparage casual players either, as they keep the game afloat. There were a LOT of casual player bards out there though, and I think we're just starting to see the effects of 3.0 class changes on them.
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    I know that is why i added the edit to let you know that I get the displeasure and it is nice to know what your peers think of the job change, but overall Bard is still in a good place with numbers of players and dps/support use as well. The poll in question however is not broad enough and tends to be more incline with a poll a new station would quote to make their "side/story" work better. Always be careful with polls since anyone who has done sanctioned polls knows that a lot of time and work goes into wording the questions and making sure you have a good sample, which a lot of polls either do not because of not putting it into consideration or on purpose to make the results the poll maker wants.
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