Monk 3.0 CHAKRA UNLEASHED

[Mugetsu13]

Just my 2 cents in here having been 60 for a couple weeks now. I understand why people are upset over our new skills being so situational, but keep in mind that a lot (almost every monk i've met) has almost always considered SkS a trash stat, never stack it, and even now probably can't get over that notion. The reason we got so much SkS now is b/c not only does it allow for our Dots to hit harder and more frequently it also gives us ample time between GLIII cycles to put meditation in our rotations which adds FC as an oGCD every minute or so if done right. Currently i'm only at i174 but i'm pretty confident not many dps can say they're hitting 790 encdps in A4 like I usually do.

[Victorixvii]

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First off you are wrong about Skill speed sure back in ARR Det and Crit were the most important stats but higher skill speed builds with crafted sets allowed for 430-450 det 480-530crit and 440-460+ skill speed and in doing so we monks could have a smoother rotation and use fracture with less error in dropping Dragon Kick, not to mention in real fights with downtime we could with that teeny bit of extra Gcd sometimes save Greased lightning 3 where as someone with the no skill speed is more likely to not be able to save it.

In case you didnt know they lowered how Skill speed affects everyones Gcd so 500 skill speed will not have you draining tp in 2mins flat like it did in ARR ( I just wish we knew what monk's stat weights were in HW)

Now on to you next comment you should not be stacking Meditation into your rotation ever (unless you really need tp) only time you should be stacking meditation is when there is down time and thats only if you know you will lose Greased Lightning 3 and will have enough time to cycle thru form shift in time for when the target becomes a target again.

Now for your A4 parse 790 isnt bad but monks can pull alot higher than that i myself have pulled a 1050 and 1020 in just the past few days and there are monks on this forum that have done even more than me some reaching 1100+.
I would assume because you are weaving in meditation stacks inbetween your moves you are losing alot of dps and that would explain why your numbers are maybe lower than you realise.

Think about it everytime stack med you are wasting a gcd/move x5 even monks weakest move twin snakes is a 140 pot x5 still adds up to more potency than Forbbiden Chakra.

[Mugetsu13]

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Well first off I would like to point out that i'm not in fact i184 like most (yourself probably included) are, I'm sitting 10 under at i174 so naturally most other monks will parse for higher comparatively. I would like to point out however that all of you seem to be under the misconception that Meditation uses a full CD timer when it in fact doesn't. it recasts at 1.5 seconds and this number is unaffected by recast modifiers that we as monks make use of so your guys' complaints about how you waste 5 cd timers is moot. At worst your using maybe two timers total so going by your twinsnakes figure 140 x2 will always be outdone by 320 x1 when factoring dps "downtime". it also makes it easier to transition phases if your using TK if you've been cycling meditation because if you've got two or 3 stacks when the change drops you won't have button mash like i see most people complaining about.

[Zamii]

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without any skill speed, our gcd is 2.125s
meditation is fixed at 1.5s, and you need a minimum 5 uses, so it takes 7.5 seconds to get a SINGLE use of 320 potency.
now then, even with twin snakes, we can use it at least 3 times, over a 6.375 second window, thats 420 potency.

even ignoring the rotational screw ups using meditation will cause, lets see...
320 potency in more time... or 420 potency in less time...
the choice is plainly obvious

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i should also add, that even without greased lightning stacks, your STILL able to get 3 GCDs off in a 7.5 second window

[MiruWest]

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He also was comparing that to our weakest skill Twinsnake. If the recast timer is 1.5 sec then that's 7 secs to get a 320 potency vs a rotation which your not subbing in meditation there's no way Meditation comes out on top. Bootshine crit along makes up for about 2/3 of the damage from FC.

Unless you can do math to prove the point I can't see your option being viable

[Victorixvii]

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I was ilvl 180 and 6 ilvls isnt going to be give you 200-300 dps no matter what you do. the reason you are alot lower is because you are stacking meditation when you have 100% uptime which is a massive dps loss regardless if its on 1.5 gcd. Go run your ACT right now do a full 4 mins without using chakra inside the rotation ofc stack it at the start and get your one Forbbiden chakra then just do your rotation, then go do a second parse with what you have been doing you will 100% see a dps loss doing it your way.

[monchkinz]

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I would have to agree with the others in regards to using meditation while there is no down time or during a normal rotation. You just lose that much time using meditation when in fact the down times are rather long enough for you to form shift + mash meditation button and still be able to continue dpsing like normal OR if down time is short, you can save your gl rather than use meditation.

The only thing I would consider doing this is when
1. AF2 and I'm out TP and no one to give me TP regen.
2. Invigorate is on cd and will take a while to come back up and have no choice but to stack meditate and use purification.

even then I would probably use 1-2 meditate per rotation because thats how much time you are allowed to stack per rotation without losing GL. (remember if you have to demo you lose 2secs already in gl) Including, you have to move away from boss due to mechanics.

[Humorless]

even then I would probably use 1-2 meditate per rotation because thats how much time you are allowed to stack per rotation without losing GL. (remember if you have to demo you lose 2secs already in gl) Including, you have to move away from boss due to mechanics.

You can get 3 stacks of chakra in a rotation after both Demolish/Snap Punch with about a second to spare before having to reapply GL3.


If I'm under 100-150 TP and invig isn't off cooldown soon I just build 5 stacks in the next 2 rotations, no point in waiting before you're completely dry and waste time+dps because you're not able to queue skills properly.

[Daega]

Just hit 996 in A1 last night... Bummed I didn't hit quad digits at the end. Gotta tighten it up more. Any other monks doing much more in there?