Getting refused to EX groups as a DRK

[Adventica6]

3. Ease of healing (healer point of view) drk takes considerably more dmg than a pld and slightly more than a warrior (this matters in content that matters).
4. Damage application viability: A drk needs to choose what and when he can contribute some dps, at the cost of losing defensive skills (dA for dmg, or dA for mitigation) where as a warrior doesn't need to choose, he just swings.
5. Concept and lore: darks have never been tanks in any ff game, it breaks the lore, craps on the entire ff history, and shouldn't have been added as a tank.
6. Final thoughts, they are mediocre at best, check reddit, check forums, check yourself, they are mediocre with huge button bloat and terrible resources to manage.

[SirTaint]

5. Concept and lore: darks have never been tanks in any ff game, it breaks the lore, craps on the entire ff history, and shouldn't have been added as a tank.

DRK was an outstanding endgame tank in FFXI, but only the best LSs knew/used them. DRK Cecil was a tank in FFV as well.

Other then that I 100% agree.

[Delorean]

2. Everything drk can do, another tank can do better, it's undisputed, war more dmg, pld more beefy but lower dmg, and no drk isn't in the middle.

DRK mobility and self sufficiency is underrated. Also, i have met paladins that have done worse job MTing than me plenty of times

i mean you can obsess over it all you really want, but your group comp really doesn't matter if you run with a static that outgears all of the content before they can kill it. which, not to be a dick, is a lot of people.

I will agree however that Blood Price is pretty awful in it's design. It's an extremely awkward ability due to mob behavior.

[Ditto]

DRK mobility and self sufficiency is underrated.

Their mobility is in 1 skill (Unless you count AD, which is not worth wasting the MP on unless there is a group of mobs tight together), and it's a quality of life thing. Both other tanks have been perfectly fine without it. That isn't an advantage to Drk by any means at all.

And I hope by 'self sufficiency', you don't mean their self healing and such, because if it is... well I have news for you

Both Pld and War have more self sufficiency than Drk does. In their 1200 Potency cures alone.

i mean you can obsess over it all you really want, but your group comp really doesn't matter if you run with a static that outgears all of the content before they can kill it. which, not to be a dick, is a lot of people.

Also, you must have never been to the end game raid progression scene if you think this is true.

[Giantbane]

Finished lvling DRK. It has some cool aspects but its stuck in Kmart world. (Kmart is stuck between Target and Walmark and suffers from being the middle road) PLD is still the turtle king and WARs DPS is crazy right now. DRK is complex which I like but its not complex in a good way. Its not like a master DRK will out mitigate a PLD or DPS a WAR which is how it should be.

You don't think DRK MT/WAR OT for A4 Savage will be worthwhile? If A4 Normal is any indication, there's going to be a big magical tank buster involved.

[Ditto]

You don't think DRK MT/WAR OT for A4 Savage will be worthwhile? If A4 Normal is any indication, there's going to be a big magical tank buster involved.

War MT and Pld OT sounds better. If not, Pld MT and War OT while the Pld just muscles through it, as it's been from the start.

Right now, War has better magic mitigation than Drk does. Shorter CD on Vengeance, and 3x the Inner Beast usage of our Dark Mind usage. And then also Inner Beast behind every one of their other CD's, and simply whenever they feel like dumping Wrath and know they can get it back, which if I'm thinking correctly, would be 3 to 4 times or more inbetween A4's tank buster. Not to mention Equilibrium healing between each hit, or even just as a self recovery from the buster, which in itself can crit heal for 7k+.

As for why Pally as OT, they don't do terrible damage at all in SoO. They bring Clemency for an emergency heal if needed, and Divine Veil just works wonders on that fight simply due to the amount of raid damage going out, and the self inflicted damage from intercepting orbs and lasers. The only thing a Drk brings to that fight is Delirium. Which if you have a Monk, you don't need anyway. And with Path 100% uptime, you'll likely be able to get by fine without it.

This is all under the assumption that mechanics will be as they are now, which they probably wont be. But even still, as Drk is right now, they don't fit into any composition as a valued job beyond preference or people who just don't care what tanks they have in their group, such as friendly statics.

They tank off of the generosity, or the lack of care in others.

[Jayjohn]

DRK is viable, people are just bad

[Kiteless]

DRK is viable, people are just bad

Viable=/=Valuable

[NovaLevossida]

5. Concept and lore: darks have never been tanks in any ff game, it breaks the lore, craps on the entire ff history, and shouldn't have been added as a tank.

I think it fits the lore the way they've set it up. The first quest after unlocking DRK establishes that they're less about protecting people and more about punishing the guilty (which protects people as a secondary effect). I get a Sailor Moon, "in the name of the moon, I shall punish you" vibe from it. The reason they're tanking the boss is because they want to be the first ones to dish out punishment.

Though I wish they were DPS instead of course.

[Giantbane]

War MT and Pld OT sounds better. If not, Pld MT and War OT while the Pld just muscles through it, as it's been from the start.

Right now, War has better magic mitigation than Drk does. Shorter CD on Vengeance, and 3x the Inner Beast usage of our Dark Mind usage. And then also Inner Beast behind every one of their other CD's, and simply whenever they feel like dumping Wrath and know they can get it back, which if I'm thinking correctly, would be 3 to 4 times or more inbetween A4's tank buster. Not to mention Equilibrium healing between each hit, or even just as a self recovery from the buster, which in itself can crit heal for 7k+.

As for why Pally as OT, they don't do terrible damage at all in SoO. They bring Clemency for an emergency heal if needed, and Divine Veil just works wonders on that fight simply due to the amount of raid damage going out, and the self inflicted damage from intercepting orbs and lasers. The only thing a Drk brings to that fight is Delirium. Which if you have a Monk, you don't need anyway. And with Path 100% uptime, you'll likely be able to get by fine without it.

This is all under the assumption that mechanics will be as they are now, which they probably wont be. But even still, as Drk is right now, they don't fit into any composition as a valued job beyond preference or people who just don't care what tanks they have in their group, such as friendly statics.

They tank off of the generosity, or the lack of care in others.

If the WAR can keep up path for the DRK tanking, then I think the DRK will have more raw magic mitigation than the WAR will. In normal, the DRK has dark mind for every single tank buster, so they can stack that with their normal cooldowns. WAR also has the issue where healing "abilities" aren't buffed by convalescence or defiance, so that's going to hinder healer recovery on the WAR after big hits.

I think having your PLD swap to DRK for this fight only might be the best option. Of course it depends on what actually ends up in the Savage version.