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Thread: AST MP Issue?

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    Don't know much more than "before Alexander (Savage)".

    It's not entirely unreasonable to expect the buffs this Tuesday, though.
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    I would imagine we'll see it with 3.05, though the Q&A answer was vague enough that we could see changes in hotfixes before that.
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    AST should be the last person to rez. Should go SCH > WHM > AST/SMN. AST has the worst ways to regain MP of the healers, and if you have to rez people you will likely run into MP issues.

    Keeping your Aspected Benefict HoT on the MT will go a long way to helping conserve mana. Your Benefic/Benefic II also cost less mana than the WHM/SCH's equivalent but at the cost of a bit of potency, but when you're just trying to top the MT off from 85-99% HP that's better since you won't be overhealing as much.

    SCH/WHM have better ways to get the tank from low HP to full, so just throw your ED on them and maybe one Benefic II afterwards and keep using Benefic other than that. The other healer should really be the one doing most of the heavy emergency healing.

    If you know there's going to be a single AoE hit, then start casting Aspected Helios early so it goes off right after the hit. The Heal + HoT will heal the party back to full so you don't have to use 2+ normal Helios to top off the party.

    Find out the "tells" of the boss's stronger hits so you can start pre-casting Disable on bosses to get the 10% reduction from those hits. Over time that will save you and the other healer a small chunk of MP.

    As for cards, I usually spread my first Spear/Ewer and save it for when I need to do some heavy healing or pop LA.

    I'm only AST 52 but AST is basically a less potent 2.0 WHM minus Divine Seal/Benediction/Presence of Mind and I did get WHM to 50 in 2.0. These sorts of tips are what helped me conserve mana then so they should help now.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

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    Probably as much issues as WHM. With SCH i never had mana issues ever and it's very difficult to get them.
    I'm a rather low level and careful with mana, but if i do both heal and dps a bit, then i notice that it drops very fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo View Post
    Your AST isn't even 60 yet, and the OP is 60 and farming end game content. I have no idea why you think AST MP pools are larger. I'm i180 on both WHM and AST. Out of party, 10376 HP on both; 13027 MP on both. There's no difference.
    Yes, My AST is not a 60, but I know they have the most Piety so what your saying can't be true. On top of that as a 60WAR, it's my job to take the heat, not them. I see many idiots actively eat damage like Alexander's T3 where that orange tether is on someone, I go take it off, then some WHM/AST (haven't had a SCH with me yet) just swoop, being "I GOT THIZ" and dies instantly, or T4 the orbs, in the middle of EVERYTHING. We tell them we tanks can take them, they eat one, last phase they end up OOM and dead, scratching their heads on why. Half of the time they end up OOM and with us tanks dead by the barrage.

    So plz, don't shut down good advice cause of my healer's level. :|
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    Quote Originally Posted by RiisWolf View Post
    Yes, My AST is not a 60, but I know they have the most Piety so what your saying can't be true.
    It is true.

    Piety does not change based on class (unless you use your attribute points in Piety instead of Mind). It comes from gear, race stats, attribute points, and level. So an i180 AST and WHM with the same armor and accessories on, with all their points in Mind will have the exact same Piety and Mind specs unless one of the jobs had a weapon that offered Piety while the other did not, as not all healer weapons offer the same stats.
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    Last edited by Selli; 07-13-2015 at 07:24 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Selli View Post
    *snip*
    The i180 weapons all have 69 PIE on them but trade it for SS on the i190 weapons.
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    Peach Parfait/Khulan Angura on Gilgamesh

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    I don't know why SMN is so low on most orders here. With their 3.0 rotation changes they really are not that starved for Aetherflow MP unless they are Ruin 3 spamming outside of Dreadwyrm Trance.

    The raise order should be SCH>SMN>WHM>AST.

    Basically it goes from jobs that have most efficent/less-impactful MP regen cooldown, to the job that has two of them, then the job that only has one. AST should absolutely be last in just about any situation unless swiftcast is down by all jobs, and they can lightspeed the raise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ninimo_Babamo View Post
    And you should. A good healer shouldn't be able to carry a crap party, no matter how good they are. When stuff goes wrong, it's time for the group to get their act together and try harder. I tend to hold a spear card in my hand to use on myself before Luminiferous Aether. I pop a party buff, use the spear card on myself, use my Aether, then pop Opposition to extend all the durations. It goes a long way.
    If only holding a spear card could be done out of combat, but during combat its too unreliable to wait for a spear card before using LA and Opposition. I tend to hit LA as soon as im down 1k mp, to maximize the usage
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    Unless the fight is heavy winded, I don't find myself gasping for MP to much. I do have a supply of X-ethers on my hotbar just incase and assuming I get lucky with Spear (which always goes on my spread if I can) I will use that and L.Aether to restore my MP once I am a couple thousand down. Works even better if I can pop L.Aether followed by collective unconscious to shield/heal the tank while restoring my mp.
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