AST MP Issue?

[Merylx]

The only time I seem to have extremely big MP issues is with the end boss of The Fractal Continuum. If the dps is very lackluster, and it takes ages and ages to kill the boss, I find myself starved for MP. Other than that, I'm pretty new to being a lvl 60 AST, and I'm still trying my best to manage MP at end game.

[VitalSuit]

1) Luminiferous Aether is exactly like Shroud. That set MP refresh that doesn't really scale with your ilevel (unless they've changed it recently and I missed something). It's gonna refresh the same at i160 as it will at i190.

You are correct. LA and SoS regen mp at a fixed rate depending on your level (not ilvl). The easiest way to tell how much it will restore per tick is to look at your cure mp cost I believe.

[PetiteMalFleur]

I am realy surprised at the responses saying AST don't have mp issues. Yoshi-P will be buffing astrologian and hinted at how their spells do not scale well at 60 for mp cost. AST spells are less potent than whm and we lack some qol things like freecure and healing buffs. It is possible to manage your mana better but it takes a very conservative playstyle to do so.

Always use Diurnal stance. Nocturnal stance is just really bad and the efficiency of your hps with hots ticking in Diurnal stance eases things a lot.

Use time dilation to extend your hot on the MT. Use Syngergy to heal dps or keep up the tank during heavy aoe damage. For long, protracted fights spread a spear card to use before LA. Don't save LA waiting for buffs though. Use Ewer on yourself. I will Bole the tank rather than RR it to ease healing slightly as well.

Ignore your Benefic II procs. This spell procs all the time and it will bleed your mana dry. Never use Lightspeed except to stoneskin.

You mentioned you do most of these already. I just wanted to touch on them again. Hopefully with the upcoming buffs extraordinary measures won't be needed to maintain yourself in longer fights. They are expected to come in before Savage releases so don't be discouraged.

[Apeiron]

I don't think people are saying the job itself doesn't have MP problems, just that we've adapted so that we don't have them as frequently.

[SovereignAegis]

I am a SCH main and I need to agree that AST needs MP buffs. At present they lack enough mana management skills to help them, as well as using lightspeed basically is a great way of chugging through mana to little effect.


I want to personally level an AST however I am very very wary of the mana management.

I really do hope their mana gets helped somehow, at present lumiferous aether (? I think that's the name) doesn't offset their problems enough.

[EchuKayu]

Compared to other healers, yes, they do have MP issues. I don't think the argument "Only if the DPS sucks" is a fair one, when on a SCH/WHM they can suck and their MP is just fine. They shouldn't be bad in dungeons, or in raids. It's not one or the other that makes it okay.

Also, if you play around with nocturnal stance, you'll find the MP issues are even greater.

But, I'm glad we have things like a non-ogcd spell proc like Bene II that totally helps with mana like a free..cure... Oh wait.

[Beyondgrave]

It just bother me because I can't really dps and still be ok on mp. If I dps, I find it hard to gain back the mp used when dpsing. Also, I try to avoid rezzing as much as possible since that spell is 20% (cost about 2.6k and I have 129** mp) of my max mp. I even go as far as having our smn Rez for me lol. I play very conservatively and it's still a pain. I know my group hates it when they see me standing around doing nothing but I need to do that or else I will run oom even faster lol. Also, have our whm always at near max mp doesn't help me because it just make me seem like I'm bad at mp management compare to the whm

[Rajeme]

Well, about ress. 1 ress is fine, 2 resses are a problem and you will face mp crisis, 3 resses and might as well wipe lol. I think the MP usages offset the lower mp cost too much.

[Elanshin]

AST are ok mana wise when things go according to plan (but so are WHM and SCH). However it is the crisis management mode that sees AST really go into over drive on MP usage.

Both SCH and WHM can manage to heal up the party when things don't go according to plan fairly efficiently (without mentioning both have better MP recovery tools in the first place) where as AST are stuck spamming Helios as your only option. This is particularly important during progression as mistakes are natural.

I'm just hoping they address the lack of "oh-shit" button (Essential Dignity should be used fairly regularly for MP management in my opinion). The buffs to the 3 Utility spells will hopefully fix this.

[Beyondgrave]

Anyone know when the buff will be coming out? Is it the same path as Alex savage? Or are we expecting it to drop this Tuesday?