Astrologian buffs confirmed

[Ghishlain]

I did answer your questions. You just keep following up with new pointless questions. White mage didn't have a version of lustrate back pre xpansion and they do now so my issue is quelled.

You coming on a thread about Astros and flaming me then demanding I answer your question when you ignore my answer also claiming I am trying to alter the topic of the thread makes you a hypocrit yes.

I imagine most people on this forum would heavily disagree with the fact that you "answered anyone's question". But you're as entitled to your opinion as I am to mine.

BTW, I didn't flame you, I made a comment to attempt to curb any discussion going towards an DPS discussion. Then you decided to flame me first because maybe I attacked the integrity of one of your "OMG WHM IS GOING TO DIE" friends by first saying that no one listened to me then indirectly telling me that I'm a troll to someone else. You should seriously consider looking into a mirror since you're basically acting like a hypocrite as well as a troll at this point. I just decided to curb stomp your attempt and try to bring the discussion back towards what this thread was intended.

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I am going to say we can agree to disagree all you want. I don't want to derail this thread anymore than it already has been de-railed because of your own personal dislike for me.

[RichardButte]

To say on topic, while it's still unclear what sort of buff they were implying, at least it sounds like they have outright said that ASTs will not get potency enhancers like Divine Seal. The changes they are going for will be "astrologian-like", whatever that means. From the tone, it appears they still don't want ASTs to be strong healers, and let their utility be the focus.

I'd much rather they buff the cards to provide more utility, or hell, make it so the cards themselves heal as well.

If AST's card buffs also healed for 1% of HP every second of their duration, that would make them good enough that the AST would be fine. Then, cards like Ewer and Spire would be more desirable for their 20 sec duration, despite their other effects being a big pile of "meh".

[Yumi_umi]

Even tho astro is getting buffs a lot of ppl will be like
- "why u let me down " ,
-"i'm disappointed in SE"
-"SE broke astro".
All cuz they want astro to be a whm or sch lol.
Just be thankful that yoshi is looking into this and is giving it a buff. May be awesome, may be really small / slight tweaks but anything is welcomed. As long as it doesn't create a bug on astro then there's nothing to worry about lol.

[Vlady]

You asked about white mage and scholar being a pair. I answered why. You went over each spell in comparison. I responded to your questions about the spells. I discussed why white mage should be the supreme single and multi target healer. Then you swapped to your rant about since I did not raid I could not understand why a white mage and scholar is the best combo for raids. I respond if that is the case then why did SE set up the scenario for when two scholars are healing together unless they are coordinating then they are basically at half power. You did not answer that question but then retorted to how you and your server are parts of world firsts and I called you an elitist and started ignoring your questions since you did not answer mine about why doesnt SE let scholars stack since they are on the level of white mages.

And I do not even look and memorize names. If anything you are someone who has something against me or you would not spend your 700+ posts and wasting your own time just to do search of all of my posts to find inconsistencies just to make a point I do not even get? If you want to stick to topic that is fine by me but interjecting yourself then shooting off a one liner trying to invalidate me then spamming link after link of previous topics not even relevant to this topic does show your bitter and small side. But as you said if you do not want to derail this thread then after this neither do I.

I feel that a healer should have issues dealing damage to instances that they do not fully outgear on. Astro is a semi challenging job because it does not have the emergancy buttons that other healers do not have and once upon a time that was the way that healers in mmo's were made in mind with. Sustaining a group but not being able to be a counter to compensate for making a ton of mistakes. When we get to the point where we can dps with ease and sustain healing then maybe it is time that mana be tightened a bit. If you as a healer dps for half a fight you should be oom. Just how I feel.

[Pharmacies]

I feel that a healer should have issues dealing damage to instances that they do not fully outgear on. Astro is a semi challenging job because it does not have the emergancy buttons that other healers do not have and once upon a time that was the way that healers in mmo's were made in mind with. Sustaining a group but not being able to be a counter to compensate for making a ton of mistakes. When we get to the point where we can dps with ease and sustain healing then maybe it is time that mana be tightened a bit. If you as a healer dps for half a fight you should be oom. Just how I feel.

I actually agree. Despite their shortcomings, I like the direction AST is heading. Lesser healing potential means you need to focus on being efficient and using your skills wisely. There just has to be a trade off for increased difficulty. I hope with the fix, ASTs can provide more utilities through their cards rather than, say, 20 potency increase on combust and combust II. Just please don't turn AST into a pseudo WHM that likes to chuck cards once in a while.

[Ghishlain]

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I can accept that.

Just two points of advice:

1) If you're going to state a highly controversial and unpopular opinion, be prepared to defend yourself and be prepared to defend yourself well. Velox managed to state everything about why SCH was more powerful than WHM within a single post - something you were unable to answer with satisfaction after 10-20 posts in reply to various posters. Most of the comments within your first paragraph was not directed to me, but directed to myself and several other posters and none of us were satisfied with your answers. The comment about my server being world first was in retort to your comment about how "you asked various people on your server and their opinion is this, therefore it must be true" and I countered by making an equally outlandish claim to show you how foolish your comment was. Apparently that subtly got lost on you.

2) If you're going to state an opinion, at least fact check yourself and be prepared to accept that you can be wrong. Your comment about how Holy spamming WHMs needed a BRD to play Ballad constantly for them to sustain the power of Holy through a dungeon run was completely off and you got lambasted for it. If you had graciously accepted that you were wrong, there would be more respect for you.

Good bye.

[Akyio]

My problem with AST at the moment(though im low level yet) and from what i have seen, is that AST tries to basically copy SCH or WHM depending on stance, but doesnt become as good in any. But yeah you have cards and that massive AoE stun, but then the cards are very random and complicated, and it feels like they are sometimes not that.. powerful. Mana is also a little bit of problem, but thats fine, its quite comparable to WHM from what i saw. It shouldn't really be as mana-full as SCH, but maybe slight buff on that mana regen skill would be great

[HWF-7force]

I have no raiding experience on my Astrologian, and limited Raid experience (pre nerfs First Coil ) on my Scholar. Getting that out of the way for credibility-sake.

I thoroughly enjoy how attentive I have to be on my Astrologian so far. One thing I did not like as my Scholar was that MP was a non-issue. As long as I spent Aetherflow well, I didn't ever really need to look at my MP. This has definitely NOT been the case on my AST, and I am greatly enjoying it. On the flip-side... if there is no perk/benefit to bringing an AST over a SCH/WHM to a Raid, then why fix was isn't broken just to appease the playstyle wants of another player at the expense of the rest of the raid due to the shortcomings presented when you have a watered down SCH/WHM with some impotent RNG buffs?

I LOVE that Yoshi-P is addressing it prior to 3.1, and greatly admire his want to make these changes in the spirit of the Astrologian playstyle, which I ADORE!
He is on the right track... now lets buckle up and see where it leads?

[justinjarjar]

On the flip-side... if there is no perk/benefit to bringing an AST over a SCH/WHM to a Raid, then why fix was isn't broken just to appease the playstyle wants of another player

What? Explain please, if there is no reason (IE consent decent if not good buffs) to take astro over WHM/SCH then you are limiting their use. It means your static is fine with a healer that does less dps/healing then their counterparts without a reason to take them (IE decent buffs). Not trying to get the healing up, more of want more consent buffs so that astro has it's own role and not just worse SCH/WHM. Since as of right now can astro perform healer in all the content, yes, but will it be able to perform in savage? Still no answer and YohsiP tends to think that it might be put on the wayside for the reason that the buffs are not strong enough.

[HWF-7force]

What? Explain please, if there is no reason (IE consent decent if not good buffs) to take astro over WHM/SCH then you are limiting their use. It means your static is fine with a healer that does less dps/healing then their counterparts without a reason to take them (IE decent buffs). Not trying to get the healing up, more of want more consent buffs so that astro has it's own role and not just worse SCH/WHM. Since as of right now can astro perform healer in all the content, yes, but will it be able to perform in savage? Still no answer and YohsiP tends to think that it might be put on the wayside for the reason that the buffs are not strong enough.

You didn't quote that entire sentence, so lost context.
I said
"On the flip-side... if there is no perk/benefit to bringing an AST over a SCH/WHM to a Raid, then why fix was isn't broken just to appease the playstyle wants of another player at the expense of the rest of the raid due to the shortcomings presented when you have a watered down SCH/WHM with some impotent RNG buffs?"

Point being, you would be appeasing the play-style wants of another player at the expense of the rest of the raid DUE TO THE SHORTCOMINGS of the Job as it stands.

I then went on to point out how I admire that they are addressing the Job, and in a way that coincides with the playstyle of the Astrologian. That is a good step in the right direction.

To further clarify::

Raids that currently run a SCH/WHM combo would have no need to "Fix what isn't broken" with their current setup by inserting an AST.
Poor choice of phrase, perhaps? But hopefully that clears the confusion up.