White mage remain gimp because the can go scholar on real content?

[Theref]

The OP should try the both class and feel both instead of judging them based of 2 person he know

[Sanguisio]

Both are great, leave it at that.

Our WHM pretty much solo heals FCOB while the SCH deals with mechanic things like prey but mainly does DPS

[Yare]

It is rather amusing when a person with little experience in the hardest game content starting a post on why WHM is inferior to SCH. Then, there would be posts insisting WHM need better in mana regeneration, healing potency, damage output, shortening CD times for some spells etc. Should their requests have been granted, the healer forum will fill w/ posts asking to buff SCH. SE set limitations to WHM spells and abilities to prevent WHM from being so powerful and easy to play that even a kindergartner can solo heal everything as a WHM.

It is possible for one person to master one healing class better than another. BUT that's not the way to measure/judge/criticize the class that they bad at.

[Malevicton]

The only thing that really gimps whm is the terribly awkward way they hold their staves. Makes the glamour endgame practically impossible to beat.

[Vlady]

op healer in 4 man teams? Scholar? Check.
Top utility out of healers? Scholar? Check.
Best mitigation abilities which infinitely scale better then pure healing? Scholar? Check.
The goto healer job for everything but a few fights requiring pure strong heals? Scholar? Check.

Despite what people's opinion the fact of the matter is people will play the majority of the time the job which is the strongest. That is the most logical path that all gamers take which is the path that gives the most power for least resistance. Scholars have an auto mode pocket healer with the best heals and defensive cooldowns in the game. White mage has just medica and medica only. Regen is for the most part becoming more and more useless as this game moves more to a burst heavy phase with slow mid healing required build up. The way wow did before they revamped healing.

Healing is becoming an issue with scholars being able to match and outpace white mages in every category. The only thing white mage brings is a stronger aoe heal and with a third healer coming into the game unless healing dynamics is changing to require 3 healers in raids you will see white mages benched. Only reason a white mage is used is because scholars cannot stack well. If scholars had a way to stack the adlo issue then white mages would be benched all together minus some people with snow flake syndrome wanting to feel special playing a weak job.

White mages need something else given to them then a magic defensive buff added to protection. 8% more on stoneskin is not even close to compare to a good scholar being able to split healing between them and manually using pet with rouse on different targets makes it much more flexible and adaptable. The issue is Scholars are too powerful.

[Wizarus]

Could have sworn WHM Holy is way better in 4 man content now that trash mob pulls turned from 4 max to 4 minimum. If anything WHM has more ultility since WHM also gets Eye for an Eye and basic Virus is still decent for 10 seconds. Not to mention BLM and SMN gets both of these skills. Meanwhile Proto-protect includes a permanent 5% magic damage reduction and SS(2) is 8% more damage reduction and is viable to use in combat unlike regular SS.

[Forthtide]

Been relatively quiet on the WHM-hate bandwagon lately so I was starting to get a bit worried already. Thanks, OP.

On a more serious note, WHMs are fine and awesome. Who cares if two of your WHM main friends play SCH 90% of the time? WHMs are vital in progression - especially true for the FCoB; have fun with those WHMless T12/T13 clears in i110. Even now, outside of progression, WHMs are fine for farming of the turns, for optimal raid-performance and balancing. You can trivialize any job (pretty much) when you're balls deep into farming stuff in a mid-patch lull whilst decked in gear.

You tell 'em, Rin!

[Ghishlain]

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Well, it's quite cleared you're quite entrenched in your opinion. All I have to contribute to said opinion

(1) You severely underestimate the power of Holy in any 4-man trash content. It's extremely powerful, more so if your random PF DPS doesn't involve BLMs and thus a WHM can greatly speed up a run.

(2) Every fight (or strategy for a fight) has a particular setup. Let's analyze:
(2a) ADS Enrage start for T2 - Generally want at least 2 WHMs to handle the damage load at the minimum.
(2b) Ramuh Single Tank strategy - 2 SCHs +WHM since Lustrate isn't affected by the healing potency debuff
(2c) Urth's Fount Trial - Generally recommended to go with 2 WHMs as the amount of outgoing damage can be overwhelming.
(2d) More or less every single BCoB fight - Bring 2 SCHs as raid wide damage was light and heavy single target heals/mitigation was boss.

If S-E ever released a fight (let's say Omega Weapon) and Omega had the ability to fire two attacks that are the equivalent of LotA Ancient Flare for 5K damage within 5 second succession (BTW, Ancient Flare can't be mitigated in ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM), all the SCHs on the planet would cry nerf that. Good luck healing that double SCH. Even WHM + WHM you would probably need to see both WHMs using Cure III to help survive that.

What I'm aiming for is the importance for healers to understand their strengths and weaknesses and see what they can contribute to the fight as a whole. While you can argue one healer has a bit of an edge over the other, the divide isn't so great that everyone is "OMG SCH IS SO OVERPOWERED"

On that note, I wish a comment like this was posted as an April Fools' joke or something.

Producer and director Yoshi-P here.

Due to the overwhelming amount of complaints about how overpowered Scholar is and how underpowered Summoner is, for reasons of balancing, when we release Heavensward we will be removing the Arcanist class and all jobs associated with that class from the game, permanently.

We encourage all Scholars to level Astrologian and Summoners to level Machinist instead.

Please look forward to it.

I reiterate, I wish this was posted as an April Fools' prank post. I'm not trying to impersonate the producer >.>; lol

[Vlady]

Well, it's quite cleared you're quite entrenched in your opinion. All I have to contribute to said opinion

(1) You severely underestimate the power of Holy in any 4-man trash content. It's extremely powerful, more so if your random PF DPS doesn't involve BLMs and thus a WHM can greatly speed up a run.

(2) Every fight (or strategy for a fight) has a particular setup. Let's analyze:
(2a) ADS Enrage start for T2 - Generally want at least 2 WHMs to handle the damage load at the minimum.
(2b) Ramuh Single Tank strategy - 2 SCHs +WHM since Lustrate isn't affected by the healing potency debuff
(2c) Urth's Fount Trial - Generally recommended to go with 2 WHMs as the amount of outgoing damage can be overwhelming.
(2d) More or less every single BCoB fight - Bring 2 SCHs as raid wide damage was light and heavy single target heals/mitigation was boss.

If S-E ever released a fight (let's say Omega Weapon) and Omega had the ability to fire two attacks that are the equivalent of LotA Ancient Flare for 5K damage within 5 second succession (BTW, Ancient Flare can't be mitigated in ANYWAY SHAPE OR FORM), all the SCHs on the planet would cry nerf that. Good luck healing that double SCH. Even WHM + WHM you would probably need to see both WHMs using Cure III to help survive that.

What I'm aiming for is the importance for healers to understand their strengths and weaknesses and see what they can contribute to the fight as a whole. While you can argue one healer has a bit of an edge over the other, the divide isn't so great that everyone is "OMG SCH IS SO OVERPOWERED"

On that note, I wish a comment like this was posted as an April Fools' joke or something.



I reiterate, I wish this was posted as an April Fools' prank post. I'm not trying to impersonate the producer >.>; lol

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

I am not saying that white mages cannot do extremely well I am saying that I am afraid Astrology will add something unique to the table to make them wanted over just healing which white mages is pretty much the only thing they can do. White mages could use maybe regen 2 which bypasses cleric stance to heal for full so that white mages can do more then just heal. Virus and eye for an eye is ok in 4 man content but they should be able to provide the same dps that a scholar brings which a regen they can cast without healing debuff in cleric stance would put them more on par with scholar pet healing. Either that or make it where scholar pets are also given the debuff when in cleric stance.

Maybe even give white mage a more advanced form of cleric stance since it is in their base job that gives them a potency strength per tick on regen.

[Cynfael]

Holy relies heavily on a bard to maintain momentum. Having mana issues without a bard ballad to maintain momentum will just mean larger periods of rest between pulls.

Ain't nobody got time for that. If I'm playing WHM for a trash dungeon and have a BRD, I expect Foes', not Ballad. Healing requirements tend to be minimal if the WHM can afford to Holy that much, and there's enough time between pulls for MP to recover.

As for SCH nerfs, be careful what you wish for; any significant nerf to SCH fairy etc. is likely to put more pressure on their WHM partners rather than actually encourage more to play WHM.