Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[Aeyis]

Chimera manes are get much easier through desynth Hundred Fin. Around 12% of get one, and can be hq, using proper bait around 98% chance to get that fish, in 1 hour irl is a lot.

So if you knew how to get more efficiently an item you really not need the retainer do the work.

You call having a fisher at 60 and culi desynth at high level efficiently? Well, thats an odd way of looking at it.
Very few people have fishing at max. Even less people have culi desynth.

On the other hand, getting 10 manes per hour when all it takes is a few clicks (you dont even need to be playing, you could do this while busy with other things), is quite efficient. These can be HQ as well, up to 100% of the 10 collected per hour.

I have currently got 300 manes in my inventory, 100 of which HQ; all of which collected by my retainer over the course of a few days. No grinding, no fishing, no desynthing required.

[Roth_Trailfinder]

No, Pay to Win is strictly paying real life money to a cash shop in order to gain mechanical gameplay benefits (i.e. enhanced stats, superior gear, lesser penalties, faster mounts etc.) above those that do not purchase them. This tends to ruin games as only those that spend money can compete.

The ability to purchase a free teleport location, extra storage, extra marketboard listings and similar things is what is known as Pay for Convenience. These things improve the purchaser's quality of life but do not give the purchaser a mechanical advantage over other players. Additional retainers do not allow you to do anything you could not already do, they just make things more convenient.

Call em convenient if you want, but extra storage, extra marketboard listings, and especially extra ventures are a mechanical advantage over people who are not paying for them.

[Kaiser-Ace]

snip.

You still haven't explained WHY you keep so much useless crap. I do craft a little but it's mostly for self sufficiency. (That way for about 10 minutes of mat farming I can make an HQ item that SHOULD cost a 2k at most instead of paying 12k for the same item which is an hour's worth of dungeon grinding as a dps)

But you realize you ARE hording right? If you can not fit items you ABSOLUTELY NEED into you inventory slots then you are keeping things you don't need. Hoarders are hoarders and just like IRL there is no reasoning with them. You can make your 5-star 1.8 mil craft items with less than a full inventory (Vanity Items are THE big market and there's no point HQing a stateless glamour item) and there is no reason why you shouldn't. The mentality of "I may need it" is what gives SE 4 USD per month per extra retainer. Because no matter how you justify it hoarders are idiots that keep more than they need. If those chimera whatevers (No I've never seen them my highest level Crafter is lvl 20ish and I don't believe my lvl 50 fisher will pull a chimera out of silver tear lake anytime soon. And if he does I'll stop fishing there for good) are so valuable then keep them instead of the 999 HQ animal skins in your inventory. What you say and what you're apparently doing are polar opposites. (And for the record, Allagan Crafting Mats sell really well on balmung. I made almost 40k off of three items from T5 today alone) So stop BSing and start prioritizing.

[Radial]

And that argument failed hard, as explained multiple times on this thread.

Especially in HW where the best melded penta gear comes in about 4th place. Alexander gear > Law with Seals Gear > Law Gear > Crafted gear (unless its that one i160 body piece then you get 3rd place). Pay to slowly place 4th after everyone else already came in 1st...yay... How could you stoop so low SE? P2W that doesn't win?

Ventures are a nice addition whom's minimal advantage could easily be wiped out by someone who knows how to make gil proper. This is pay to get a such a minimal advantage in terms of only currency that could easily be made up by someone who plays CUL for 20 more minutes a day, dont kid yourself.

Haven't seen anyone counter that argument so no it hasn't "failed hard" the main point isn't gear, its gill, and you obviously don't know what your talking about with ventures and gill as farming chimera manes is millions and millions of gill per day for no effort except spending a few ventures. (and buying 8 retainers with RL cash)

[Radial]

You still haven't explained WHY you keep so much useless crap. I do craft a little but it's mostly for self sufficiency. (That way for about 10 minutes of mat farming I can make an HQ item that SHOULD cost a 2k at most instead of paying 12k for the same item which is an hour's worth of dungeon grinding as a dps)

But you realize you ARE hording right? If you can not fit items you ABSOLUTELY NEED into you inventory slots then you are keeping things you don't need. Hoarders are hoarders and just like IRL there is no reasoning with them. You can make your 5-star 1.8 mil craft items with less than a full inventory (Vanity Items are THE big market and there's no point HQing a stateless glamour item) and there is no reason why you shouldn't. The mentality of "I may need it" is what gives SE 4 USD per month per extra retainer. Because no matter how you justify it hoarders are idiots that keep more than they need. If those chimera whatevers (No I've never seen them my highest level Crafter is lvl 20ish and I don't believe my lvl 50 fisher will pull a chimera out of silver tear lake anytime soon. And if he does I'll stop fishing there for good) are so valuable then keep them instead of the 999 HQ animal skins in your inventory. What you say and what you're apparently doing are polar opposites. (And for the record, Allagan Crafting Mats sell really well on balmung. I made almost 40k off of three items from T5 today alone) So stop BSing and start prioritizing.

If keeping commonly used mats that can swing in price + or - up to 200% or more in a day on the MB is hoarding i don't want to be normal Honestly you sound like you don't have a clue about markets or basic economics and then admit to not having high level DoH/DoL and yet want to lecture us on "hoarding" and call us idiots for following basic smart sell/buying practices.....

PS: LOL at making 40k on MB so you must be an expert. 40k is nothing.

[Aeyis]

You still haven't explained WHY you keep so much useless crap.

I do believe I've mentioned the items I collect are not ''useless crap''

But you realize you ARE hording right?

I have no space to hoard. If I had 2 more retainers, only then would I consider collecting items just for the sake of collecting.

You can make your 5-star 1.8 mil craft items with less than a full inventory (Vanity Items are THE big market and there's no point HQing a stateless glamour item) and there is no reason why you shouldn't.

You only craft small time as you mentioned yourself.
The real money is in producing high level items (be they equipment or vanity) whenever the demand is present. For this you need to keep supplies. Whenever an item I've make sells I can replace it right away because I kept supplies of the materials.

What you say and what you're apparently doing are polar opposites.

It is?
It's pretty simple. I keep supplies of the items I will need. This includes one full retainer tab of (gathering and crafting only) materias, to give an example.

(And for the record, Allagan Crafting Mats sell really well on balmung. I made almost 40k off of three items from T5 today alone) So stop BSing and start prioritizing.

The 2 dawnborne Aethersand I gave my friend sell for 100-200k each (depending on the day). Prioritizing indeed. 13k for a single material is not exactly my defination of ''sell really well''
It goes without saying that selling prices differ per server. But I dont think 40k~ is a great price on anywhere outside of Gilgamesh.

[Kaiser-Ace]

<Shrugs> I've just been trying to understand why this is an issue.

So the basic reason I don't get the issue is the fact that I'm not a dedicated crafter and there for don't have a reason to play the markets.

So by extension I also have no reason to keep large quantities of materials which ends up not causing a space issue to me.

Did I about sum up the difference? Cause what I've getting is that this is a high end market exclusive issue. And since I don't intend to be part of the high end market I'll never have, and there for never completely understand the inventory issue high end crafters are having. That about sum it up?

[Whiteroom]

<Shrugs> I've just been trying to understand why this is an issue.

So the basic reason I don't get the issue is the fact that I'm not a dedicated crafter and there for don't have a reason to play the markets.

So by extension I also have no reason to keep large quantities of materials which ends up not causing a space issue to me.

Did I about sum up the difference? Cause what I've getting is that this is a high end market exclusive issue. And since I don't intend to be part of the high end market I'll never have, and there for never completely understand the inventory issue high end crafters are having. That about sum it up?

Its just a whinging point for people who want freebies. They give you more than enough to play the market by default. The exuse that this allows you to earn more and therefore buy runs is a piss poor straw man.

[Rath]

I do believe I've mentioned the items I collect are not ''useless crap''

Material-wise what do you actually have filling your retainers? I am curious as I have all my crafts at 60 and have quite a bit of room, even holding all my randomly collected "junk" that I really won't ever use.

[Aeyis]

Material-wise what do you actually have filling your retainers? I am curious as I have all my crafts at 60 and have quite a bit of room, even holding all my randomly collected "junk" that I really won't ever use.

Hmm.

All HW ores, metals, stones, lumbers. Different types of (highlevel) whetstones. All types of HW cloth, and their raw materials. All HW skins and leathers. The raw materials are needed to leave the option of making HQ materials open.

Untradable dyes. Pigments for the regular dyes. Upgrade materials/off set equipment, glamours.
Crafting + gathering materias. Some hard to find housing materials/items. (IE: primal items)
HW Alch items.

In some cases (like skins) HQ materials are kept. A lot of the HW refined items require keeping stock of some other (lower level) materials as well.


How much you need to stock up on depends on your server. On larger servers I imagine a lot of items can easily be bought at any given time.



There is also a matter of accessibility. Simply having ''enough slots to fit items in'' is not enough if you access your storage often. You also need to be able to sort it all so you can quickly find what you need.

Its just a whinging point for people who want freebies. They give you more than enough to play the market by default. The exuse that this allows you to earn more and therefore buy runs is a piss poor straw man.

Uh-huh. The people who reason that retainers earn you an advantage, are actually the people who already make a lot gil in the first place. (in part due to their retainers)
How would we want freebies?


Your argumentation makes no sense.

<Shrugs> I've just been trying to understand why this is an issue.

So the basic reason I don't get the issue is the fact that I'm not a dedicated crafter and there for don't have a reason to play the markets.

As a dedicated high end crafter I can afford to only keep a few materials around. (that is, if I wanted to increase my costs/reduce my income) It is precisely the low level crafters that dont have much gil that really need to stock up on materials.

Because they cannot just buy items off the mb when the need arises.


As such im surprised you use a weak argument like this. If you dont care for having items, whether its for selling them or using them; then ofcourse you dont care about inventory space.