Oh, so FFXIV is pay-to-win? That's... stupid.

[moonflyer]

The reasoning for P2W has been explained multiple times in this thread. Inventory space is a minor part of it, its mostly being able to make gill off ventures.

And that argument failed hard, as explained multiple times on this thread.

Especially in HW where the best melded penta gear comes in about 4th place. Alexander gear > Law with Seals Gear > Law Gear > Crafted gear (unless its that one i160 body piece then you get 3rd place). Pay to slowly place 4th after everyone else already came in 1st...yay... How could you stoop so low SE? P2W that doesn't win?

Ventures are a nice addition whom's minimal advantage could easily be wiped out by someone who knows how to make gil proper. This is pay to get a such a minimal advantage in terms of only currency that could easily be made up by someone who plays CUL for 20 more minutes a day, dont kid yourself.

[Valkyrie-Amber]

pay to win mmos are majorly different to this take neverwinter and startrek online mmos for instance, pay for bis gear with money while this is clearly not pay to win.

[Kaiser-Ace]

I think once I have my crafters and gatherers all up to 60 I'm going to make 5* items with nothing more than a little time as my mats will be nearly free. Then I'm gonna sell all my 5* craft goods for 500 Gil a pop just to piss you market board junkies off.

News flash, Vanity gear, Air Ship Parts, Chocobo Items, and Furniture are the only real market driving items and Materia Fluctuates to much to be a stable long term investment.

Extra retainers do give you the potential to make more Gil, but honestly what will you do with it? Housing plots? Furniture? Vanity/Alt Gear? Having a shit tone of Gil doesn't give you any edge over those of use who don't have it, you just get to have a few "Shiny Things" that we don't want/Can do with out until we can afford them. The only thing that required any real Gil Investment was Novus phase of the relic quest and even that could be done on the cheep if you went tri-stat.

[Brightsayge]

I think someone is trying to find a reason why they are so bad at the game. if I only had more bag space I would be so awesome.

[Aeyis]

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Well, actually...you can buy raid/ex primal clears (including their drops), with gil.
Or you know, a house.

One retainer is enough to make sure I dont have to gather certain hard to farm items (chimeric manes, skins). If I had 4 I could let them farm nearly all of the materials I need and I could produce 500k~ selling items nearly none-stop.

Argue about it not being pay to win if you want. But saying that retainers dont give an advantage over others is woefully naive.


Whether via inventory space (amount of items compared to inventory slots is very small compared to other mmos), or ventures; retainers give great advantages to those that have more of them.

[Rover1983]

I agree that paying for more bank space is ridiculous. They should have that capability in-game, like paying a lot of Gil for more space rather then money. However, saying that its Pay-to-win is the most ignorant/ridiculous thing I've heard.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Well, actually...you can buy raid/ex primal clears (including their drops), with gil.
Or you know, a house.

One retainer is enough to make sure I dont have to gather certain hard to farm items (chimeric manes, skins). If I had 4 I could let them farm nearly all of the materials I need and I could produce 500k~ selling items nearly none-stop.

Argue about it not being pay to win if you want. But saying that retainers dont give an advantage over others is woefully naive.


Whether via inventory space (amount of items compared to inventory slots is very small compared to other mmos), or ventures; retainers give great advantages to those that have more of them.

Sorry man, RNGsus says that Retainers don't reliably bring back anything. For every pot of Metallic Silver Dye my retainers bring I get 20 worthless fish. So it's definitely only playing Chaos Theory on sending 8 retainers out instead of 2. You may actually get a rare item that way, but the other 7 will bring back <Insert worthless common drop here> and that's assuming the 8th doesn't as well. There's no P2W and there's no reason other than a ridiculous amount of compulsive hording to end up filling up your retainers. If I need Iron I go get it. If I get allagan leather, I usually sell it since I can't use it yet tbh, but rare items that are not easy to come by are the ONLY craft items I don't dump to the NPCs after my crafting spree is over. If I can get more easily I don't keep it. So maybe being a DoW just makes me incapable of understanding "The Crafter's Plight" but I really don't get why inventory is such a damn issue to you guys. If you max out DoL (Like I am) then you can get low level mats any time you want/need them. Thus leaving no reason to hoard them. (All I gotta do for HQ animal skins for ex is go out side Ul'dah and slaughter mice until they drop, AoEs kill like 4-8 mobs at once out there)

[Aeyis]

Sorry man, RNGsus says that Retainers don't reliably bring back anything. For every pot of Metallic Silver Dye my retainers bring I get 20 worthless fish. So it's definitely only playing Chaos Theory on sending 8 retainers out instead of 2.

Thats because your sending them on the wrong kind of ventures. I never send my retainers on quick ventures unless im after untradable dyes.
They are a very poor means of getting gil.[/QUOTE]
RNG? There is no rng involved in retainers hunting/farming items. Unless you count nq/hq but you will be making these items into refined items anyway, so that matters little.In fact...retainers are more likely to bring HQ materials from hunts then you would if you killed the mobs yourself.


Easily get some skins yourself? I take it you havent farmed chimera manes then.

If you max out DoL (Like I am) then you can get low level mats any time you want/need them. Thus leaving no reason to hoard them. (All I gotta do for HQ animal skins for ex is go out side Ul'dah and slaughter mice until they drop, AoEs kill like 4-8 mobs at once out there)

I've maxed out my DoL. Which is to say, nearly fully pentamelded BiS level 60. Strangely I still dont have the time to farm several hundreds of low level items. Not when I could rather buy them from the mb and farm something that sells for 10x as much instead.


By the way, I removed nearly every single low level material from my retainers when HW hit. It was literally the first thing I did when I logged into the game when the maintenance for early access was finished.

Yet despite not having any culi items stocked (apart from the ones I need for 2x cp food) most of my retainers slots are still filled. (including my own inventory slots)


The reason why crafters (and other smart people) stock certain materials is because they take a lot of time to collect. Because of this the markets for these items are highly in flux.
People dont want to be forced to buy them at a premium because the item happens to be selling for a lot when they need it, so they stock it up when the item sells for little.
In the process they save millions when they do need the items.

If I get allagan leather, I usually sell it since I can't use it yet tbh

My friend got some of that earlier today. After laughing and noting how worthless it is when she mentioned selling it, I gave her some Dawnborne Aethersand to sell instead.
Quick ventures are not a great place to send your retainers if you arent after minions or dyes.

[Zorlinta]

Easily get some skins yourself? I take it you havent farmed chimera manes then.

Chimera manes are get much easier through desynth Hundred Fin. Around 12% of get one, and can be hq, using proper bait around 98% chance to get that fish, in 1 hour irl is a lot.

So if you knew how to get more efficiently an item you really not need the retainer do the work.

[Uninstalldotexe]

Ahhh. I remember this back when MS was a side scroller. Ohhhh, the nostalgia of all that money wasted.