Why can't DRGs do their positionals? Live Letter Answer lol

[Sylve]

No...DRG pretty much couldn't do DPS with DF Tanks because enemies kept moving around and couldn't execute our skills im happy that is gone.

So ... No worse than a Monk is still inconvenienced by a bad tank?

I didn't get the memo on my own Dragoon that some of the positionals were gone. As a Monk main, I'd gotten into a "Dance" with my rotation that is, to this day, impossible for me to break.
I only discovered the missing positional reqs when my friend pointed it out to me while i was hammering away.

When you have it as bad as a Monk in solo play, then you can come back and complain.

[Intaki]

So ... No worse than a Monk is still inconvenienced by a bad tank?

Assuming both DRG and MNK miss all of their positionals in a single rotation cycle, DRG loses more damage by a significant margin.

And that's not even considering that before the fixes a missed positional would result in needing to start an entire combo over from scratch, as well as the fact that DRG have to contend with animation locks that MNK don't.

[Chleobeth]

Assuming both DRG and MNK miss all of their positionals in a single rotation cycle, DRG loses more damage by a significant margin.

And that's not even considering that before the fixes a missed positional would result in needing to start an entire combo over from scratch, as well as the fact that DRG have to contend with animation locks that MNK don't.

Again you are only adding the base attack and not accounting for the buffs.

[Powercow]

Assuming both DRG and MNK miss all of their positionals in a single rotation cycle, DRG loses more damage by a significant margin.

Legit question (and any dragoon can go ahead and answer this): what is a "single rotation cycle" to you? Like, please list out the rotation's ability names so I can get a better grasp on what's happening. My dragoon is only 53 atm so I don't have the full picture with the new skills.

[Themis]

Legit question (and any dragoon can go ahead and answer this): what is a "single rotation cycle" to you? Like, please list out the rotation's ability names so I can get a better grasp on what's happening. My dragoon is only 53 atm so I don't have the full picture with the new skills.

Basically, once you get both of the new positional skills, it is random which of the 2 will proc when you use either Chaos Thrust or Full Thrust. One requires flank the other requires back to hit full potency (290 vs 100 if wrong position). Because you can't tell which skill you have to use, you also don't know what position you need to move to ahead of time.

So the adjustment is to reduce the potency loss from getting it wrong. This also has another reason: in some content, you are unable to hit the right positional. This means that, due to the battle design, you cannot hit for full potency at all. This means you have to suffer a 190 potency loss for no reason other than "game said so". But, at the same time, you don't want to forgo battle mechanics/design simply to cater to all jobs or they'd be very dull fights. It's about balancing between the two things.

[Belhi]

Legit question (and any dragoon can go ahead and answer this): what is a "single rotation cycle" to you? Like, please list out the rotation's ability names so I can get a better grasp on what's happening. My dragoon is only 53 atm so I don't have the full picture with the new skills.

To summarise, basically what happens is DRG get an ability called Blood of the Dragon which, when active, gives a 30% buff to Jump and Spineshatter, which last 15 seconds. In addition, while Blood of the Dragon is active True Thrust and Chaos Thrust will activate a fourth skill in the combo. However the Skill activated is randomly chosen between two abilities.

Mechanically they are identical except Fang and Claw requires you to attack from the flank to receive full potency and Wheeling Thrust requires you to attack from the rear. Both skills hit for 290 when positioned right and 100 when positioned wrong and both add 15 seconds to Blood of the Dragon's up time.

The goal to maximise DPS is to have Blood of the Dragon up constantly, both to access the 290 hits and to use Geirskogul, the level 60 ability that hits for 200 potency in a forward cone and removes 10 seconds from Blood of the Dragon's remaining time. If Blood of the Dragon drops off you suffer quite a high dps loss obviously.

Fang and Claw and Wheeling Thrust are literally a fourth step on the pre existing combos. They must be done next after whichever third step procs them.

[Powercow]

I got all that stuff, I was more curious what like, the actual definition of a "single cycle" is. I understand going from 290->100 potency is a pretty significant loss (about 65% lost potency) but I was interested in seeing what a full rotation looked like (say, around 30 seconds.)

As far as I can tell it's something like
HT - Phleb - ID - Disembowel - Chaos Thrust - (new skill) - True - Vorpal - Full - (new skill) or something, right?

[Powercow]

As far as I can tell it's something like
HT - Phleb - ID - Disembowel - Chaos Thrust - (new skill) - True - Vorpal - Full - (new skill) or something, right?

In addition to this, how often does one use Geirskogul over say 2 minutes?

I'm doing a bit of math on my end (just some basic number crunching) and I wanted to get a feel for how much of their total damage comes from positionals, and knowing this would be quite handy.