in the future of ffxiv, please no more HNM

[odette]

I agree with most ppl here in some of what they are saying, personally i think there should be HNM's in FFXIV. I wouldn't care if they were FFXI style pop times but i do fully understand how inconveniant they are. But if FFXIV used the same style i think the system would suffer as this is not going to be appealing to the people this game is aimed at.

As said a few times already force pop would be the way forward, maybe earn some kind of currancy/pop items from dungons that would be used to pop them like ZMN's.

The fights shouldn't be a walk in the park either they should be a test of the players skill and ability to work together, with any drops being a luxuray item. Better then others of the same rank but not so much so that ppl wouldn't invite you to events w/o it. The KC (i know it's not a HMN drop) comes to mind here, not really a great item (unless you we're DRK with BW ^^) but it was one hell of laugh to use.

as for the the comments on bots, you can't say that any FFXI system was falwed because of the use of bots but rather SE was flawed in thier ablity to stop them. bots existed every where in FFXI, fishing, crafting, Sky NM's, HNM, teleport bots the list goes on and on. any problems caused by bots should only be blamed on SE and not the system that was being bot'd. The STF worked hard to stop bots (that made me lol ^^) but their policys were crap, if you reported a bot to a GM they said "report it on the website" becase all they can do is move stuck players, you report it on the website and maybe when the STF lookes at it in a month or more later the'll get banned.

this game is a long way from true endgame content atm, but if dungon raids is all we have to look forward too, it doesn't matter if you are a hardcore or a casual player this game will suck big time. To some it may not seem like it now but trust me it will. it'll be about as much fun as beating on a lvl 1 Marmot with a R1 class char for the rest of you FFXIV days.

you are right is more fun kill marmot with r1 class that wait for loooooong time for claim any nm
hnm could work with fast respawn, not days and hours
people neeed to understand that WE DONT WANT ANOTHER FFXI

[Okiura]

you are right is more fun kill marmot with r1 class that wait for loooooong time for claim any nm
hnm could work with fast respawn, not days and hours
people neeed to understand that WE DONT WANT ANOTHER FFXI

This shows you didn't even read what i wrote just dismissed it, you should read it again, then highlight the part where i said using the same claiming/spawning system as FFXI was a good idea.

[Zenaku]

This shows you didn't even read what i wrote just dismissed it, you should read it again, then highlight the part where i said using the same claiming/spawning system as FFXI was a good idea.

This person is a single minded person or "Trolling/Troll" who just want everything to be instance and pretty much suck the life outside the city for that SE should just remake the maps right and there noting outside everything is instance you want to DOL? you get teleport to a area that you by yourself and everything is there for you to get

Let's see how fast this game would last if everything become instance when the main players of the game are FFXI and like the idea of open world stuff. Most of us are even asking for party camps. See matter how many wow players play ffxiv soon this goes P2P they return back to wow or w/e game they played and only that left would be? FFXI players which make up the most % of the game.

[Okiura]

This person is a single minded person or "Trolling/Troll" who just want everything to be instance and pretty much suck the life outside the city for that SE should just remake the maps right and there noting outside everything is instance you want to DOL? you get teleport to a area that you by yourself and everything is there for you to get

Shame that was the OP too, no problem in saying you don't want somthing and putting up a good argument why it is a bad idea to have it. Then letting the other side say why it's a good idea to have it.

Blindly dismissing an idea after reading the first and last line of what someone against your view wrote, pretty much confirms what you just said.

[Zenaku]

Shame that was the OP too, no problem in saying you don't want somthing and putting up a good argument why it is a bad idea to have it. Then letting the other side say why it's a good idea to have it.

Blindly dismissing an idea after reading the first and last line of what someone against your view wrote, pretty much confirms what you just said.

You do understand that i'm all for instance and open world right? when the person is only for Instance only? and the person have said this many time in many topic if you would like to go and read some of the person topic. You can have BCNM=Instance and HNM=Open world you can go and do the bcnm if that all you like and other can go and do the hnm if that what they like.

Once again this argument have become like when casual vs hardcore oh you can't add hardcore event becuase then the casual can't do them ; ; and the hardcore could go and do the casual stuff if they like but we can't do the hardcore stuff. But then again what i'm saying you can do both casual and hardcore can do this the HNM wont be 24hour-3days repop the most they be 1hour which is fine with casual sure you need a party but what does not? if you don't have time you can easy go and do the BCNM version and get the same item for less the time and work.

[Okiura]

You do understand that i'm all for instance and open world right? when the person is only for Instance only? and the person have said this many time in many topic if you would like to go and read some of the person topic. You can have BCNM=Instance and HNM=Open world you can go and do the bcnm if that all you like and other can go and do the hnm if that what they like.

Once again this argument have become like when casual vs hardcore oh you can't add hardcore event becuase then the casual can't do them ; ; and the hardcore could go and do the casual stuff if they like but we can't do the hardcore stuff. But then again what i'm saying you can do both casual and hardcore can do this the HNM wont be 24hour-3days repop the most they be 1hour which is fine with casual sure you need a party but what does not? if you don't have time you can easy go and do the BCNM version and get the same item for less the time and work.

Yeah, content should be there for hardcore players and casual players, personnally i think this hardcore vs casual argument is a load of BS that has popped up too many times in too many topics. in threads that i have been active in i get (incorrently) accused of being a hardcore player and have taken a lot a flack for it. seems most threads follow a similar theme, the norrow minded ppl that don't read any post apart from ones that agree with them, and ppl who put forward ideas to impliment content in a fair way (the suppose'd hardcore players).

it's sad really cos the end goal is to have a game there is fun for everyone but doens't favor one type of player over another and the only way the DEV team can take these posts seriously is if there is valid argument form all sides, but with ppl like the OP on these forums thats never really gonna happen.

[Commat]

it's sad really cos the end goal is to have a game there is fun for everyone but doens't favor one type of player over another and the only way the DEV team can take these posts seriously is if there is valid argument form all sides, but with ppl like the OP on these forums thats never really gonna happen.

What I find interesting about the OP is that he/she has equated poor mechanics with world content not working when there are a 100 different ways SE can handle the situation.

Most obviously, HNM's can easily have a personal cool down timer. So maybe they spawn every hour or so but individually you can only kill the same one every 24 hours. That would relieve the OP's main compliant without taking out a great form of content.

[Zenaku]

Yeah, content should be there for hardcore players and casual players, personnally i think this hardcore vs casual argument is a load of BS that has popped up too many times in too many topics. in threads that i have been active in i get (incorrently) accused of being a hardcore player and have taken a lot a flack for it. seems most threads follow a similar theme, the norrow minded ppl that don't read any post apart from ones that agree with them, and ppl who put forward ideas to impliment content in a fair way (the suppose'd hardcore players).

it's sad really cos the end goal is to have a game there is fun for everyone but doens't favor one type of player over another and the only way the DEV team can take these posts seriously is if there is valid argument form all sides, but with ppl like the OP on these forums thats never really gonna happen.

That the issue Casual = over 80% so they going to listen to them the days of working your butt off for a item and seeing other with it is over ; ;. I remember when i got my monk the hands and feet -.- feet 1/2 and hands 1/6 and everyone like omg how many try it took and they told me they like 0/300 that was just crazy it made me feel great that i had the rare,ex version of the item but there still a way for casual to get it without that much work.

that the issue most casual only want casual events because they going to see the hardcore players having so much fun and doing hard work to get something done that they pretty much did in less then 1hour. it's like so what? we want to work 1year and 150mil to get this full update sword and it took you 1week to do then so what we want to work to feel good about our goals. you still got the item what your big deal just because i got the rare,ex version of the same item you just did within 1week?

See the issue they being selfish they don't want the hardcore to feel good about what we just did. but that a part of the issue with causal vs hardcore. i sit here and say i'm not hardcore and i'm not casual i play ffxiv for 14hours and got pretty much noting done i play ffxi for hours at end and took me 2years to get 75 why? because i like having fun and helping friends. Now at days no one care about helping they only care about themself.

Anyone remember the days you could /sh in ffxi and 10-15 people would help you with mission,quest and Limit breaks? i sure do that days are gone and that ok i can deal with that.

but for the love of god allow hardcore to have something ; ; you can make the same 10 item drop in a bcnm and then have 4 HNM that drop the same thing in rare,ex what the issue with that?

[Zenaku]

you are right is more fun kill marmot with r1 class that wait for loooooong time for claim any nm
hnm could work with fast respawn, not days and hours
people neeed to understand that WE DONT WANT ANOTHER FFXI

WoW -.- really? you could make a HNM that repop every 1hour super fun and challenging it's up to SE to make this happen. No one here want a FFXI only the few people i myself don't but that does not mean we could not get idea and stuff from the game -.-

[Commat]

WoW -.- really? you could make a HNM that repop every 1hour super fun and challenging it's up to SE to make this happen. No one here want a FFXI only the few people i myself don't but that does not mean we could not get idea and stuff from the game -.-

100% agreed.

HNM can be super fun if SE works on them.

They can add a lot to the game really.

HNM "guarding" dungeons could add to a story.
Difficulty could make tagging the mob useless if the group does not have the skill to take it down.

True story that no one cares about:
In Vanilla WoW it never mattered who tagged the green dragon HNM first. Death and taxes, Drama, or Relentless were going to kill them. Why? Hammer Clan, SoJ, and Riders didn't have the skill.

The Truth is, though, that the events were fun. Waiting for the pop, getting a chance for the kill or watching another group fail or succeed. Just really great times.