The Monk Temple Reborn

[Niyuka]

If A1-4 in their Savage forms are relatively similar to the normal mode versions, in that what forms of damage coming out are the same, I'd see DK only having important meaning in A3 and A4 from what I've seen, but I haven't exactly studied what damage types are which because it's so easy. Who knows, they could go the T7 savage fireball route and take something of relatively safe damage and ramp it up 2X.

With the current balancing of the melee DK is really gonna have to be T13 levels of usefulness IMO for MNK to take a spot in a high end raid group. Even a better geared MNK would probably bring less to raid DPS than an i180 DRG/NIN as it stands.

All because of their debuffs, or are these classes inherently better ?

[ray1108]

All because of their debuffs, or are these classes inherently better ?

In addition to their buffs/debuffs DRG and NIN bring more DPS to the raid since Mnk have 0, because mantra and DK don't bring more dps.

[Ossom]

You'd actually be better off taking a Mnk over a Nin in A2. Just because Nin's have the worst AoE damage in the game.

Honestly though, if you're good enough at your class, any class should be viable to do Alex savage. If the only thing you think you bring to the table is the ability to keep Dragon kick on the boss then you need to reevaluate why you play monk.

[Humorless]

i dont really think it matters much though, the new opener leaves more than enough room to spare for monks greased lightning.

Eh, GL3 is applied at the start of the GCD of the skill. Follow it up with DK and Twin. Then BS-True-Demo/SP. That's 10.5 seconds with the current BiS. Throwing in ToD turns that into 12.5, which means you lose GL. The only way to fit ToD in after PB is if you make one of the last 2 hits of PB SP or demo. Fracture if you apply it with the last hit. This results in DK/Twin falling off, though.

[Humorless]

You'd actually be better off taking a Mnk over a Nin in A2. Just because Nin's have the worst AoE damage in the game.

Honestly though, if you're good enough at your class, any class should be viable to do Alex savage. If the only thing you think you bring to the table is the ability to keep Dragon kick on the boss then you need to reevaluate why you play monk.

It hardly matters. Ninja gets Katon, Monk gets EF/HF. Rockbreaker is rarely worth using as you'll just run out of TP. Not a problem yet because it's piss easy, but hard mode A2 might take a few extra minutes and target prioritization probably will become a thing.

[Victorixvii]

It hardly matters. Ninja gets Katon, Monk gets EF/HF. Rockbreaker is rarely worth using as you'll just run out of TP. Not a problem yet because it's piss easy, but hard mode A2 might take a few extra minutes and target prioritization probably will become a thing.

Wait what? Monk's Aoe completely outclasses Ninja's Aoe also we have Purification to help us use Rockbreaker spam maybe only 300 tp but it still helps out get to our next Invigorate you are right in that its quite an easy Zerg In A2 and only time will tell how we fair in savage but Ninja will hardly be a great position either TP wise.

[Humorless]

Wait what? Monk's Aoe completely outclasses Ninja's Aoe also we have Purification to help us use Rockbreaker spam maybe only 300 tp but it still helps out get to our next Invigorate you are right in that its quite an easy Zerg In A2 and only time will tell how we fair in savage but Ninja will hardly be a great position either TP wise.

Do show your A2 run where your rockbreakers make a significant difference in run length.


That's why it hardly matters. In dungeons, sure, but in raid setting the difference is fuck all.

[Ossom]

Uh... Monk's AoEs completely outclass Ninja's AoEs. They aren't even relatable.

We get 220 Potency per monster every 30Seconds, 170 Potency per Monster every 60 Seconds and then we get 130 Potency per Monster every 5 Seconds.

We have an AoE skill in our rotation, you calling it useless is laughable. Rockbreaker is one of our most powerful skills when used right, have you not been using it? Wow.

Let me correct you, every little bit helps in raid settings. In Dungeons it might not matter because no one fails those, but if you think X-Pots help in fights, and food helps in fights, then surely you can't say Rockbreaker is useless and doesn't help in a fight like A2.

[Letts]

A2 savage could be a fight that benefits from the use of Purification more rather than Forbidden Chakra so using Rockbreaker is viable in terms of TP. General raid settings and dungeon settings aside...Rockbreaker is obviously more useful when you have multiple mobs, in A2 specifically you have multiple mobs possibly with vulnerability, sounds like it will be pretty useful there to me instead of just sticking to using Snap Punch or Demo the whole run.

[scx]

Monk 1200 dps with i179 (some alex pieces)

https://youtu.be/-MUB0z6Omys

Also, I don't know why people are still asking for an opener. Unless someone posts a higher pps opener, the one I posted is the one you wanna use.