I chose BRD for swift gameplay, if I wanted to cast I would have chosen a Mage.

[Vespar]

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Actually we do still have to worry about some of this now.
If we're mid-cast on an action and the mob dies or moves past us, it still breaks our casts too.

As for the Astral/Umbral/OoM interrupt thing, well thats always been a BLM thing. You kind of just learn how to roll with it. But its also been there FROM DAY ONE. It wasnt just something that started being a thing once you hit level 50+....
Bard has to pretty much relearn how to play entirely (especially if they've never played a caster class).

And in regards to the person who said WM is toggle-able. It is to an extent, its instant to put it on, but you must wait the 15sec recast time in order to toggle it off. So at times that can be a pain having to wait for the cooldown to end to be able to take it off. Its not like cleric stance where I can just turn it off whenever I want, and wait for its recast to come up again. Gauss Barrell is also the same in this regard.

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Actually we do still have to worry about some of this now.
If we're mid-cast on an action and the mob dies or moves past us, it still breaks our casts too.

As for the Blizzard thing, well thats always been a BLM thing. You kind of just learn how to roll with it. But its also been there FROM DAY ONE. It wasnt just something that started being a thing once you hit level 50+....
Bard has to pretty much relearn how to play entirely (especially if they've never played a caster class).

And in regards to the person who said WM is toggle-able. It is to an extent, its instant to put it on, but you must wait 15secs to toggle it off. So at times that can be a pain having to wait for the cooldown to end to be able to take it off. Its not like cleric stance where I can just turn it off whenever I want, and wait for its recast to come up again.

The point was that if you have in interruption (i.e. the real issue with cast times), nobody cares and you continue on where you left off. When BLM has interruptions, gameplay sometimes stop for up to 10 seconds. And the above example isn't even talking about obvious stuff, like moving for mechanics or to dodge AOE.


Also do you even play healer? It's exactly the same as cleric stance, but cleric stance recast is 6 seconds. Not sure where you're getting this " I can just turn it off whenever I want" thing. If you use cleric and have to immediately heal due to a damage spike, then you are stuck in cleric for almost 3 GCDs.

[Vespar]

The point was that if you have in interruption (i.e. the real issue with cast times), nobody cares and you continue on where you left off. When BLM has interruptions, gameplay sometimes stop for up to 10 seconds. And the above example isn't even talking about obvious stuff, like moving for mechanics or to dodge AOE.


Also do you even play healer? It's exactly the same as cleric stance, but cleric stance recast is 6 seconds. Not sure where you're getting this " I can just turn it off whenever I want" thing. If you use cleric and have to immediately heal due to a damage spike, then you are stuck in cleric for almost 3 GCDs.

Yes I do play healer and have never had issues taking off cleric stance in order to pump out a heal, Do you play bard?
Because I assure you I tested this online yesterday while talking to a fellow bard.
Wanderer's Minute is instant to PUT ON. But takes the full 15sec recast timer before you can TURN IT OFF.

Cleric stance is instant to put on, instant to take off, but takes the recast timer before you can put it back on.

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Yes I do play healer and have never had issues taking off cleric stance in order to pump out a heal, Do you play bard?
Because I assure you I tested this online yesterday while talking to a fellow bard.
Wanderer's Minute is instant to PUT ON. But takes the full 15sec recast timer before you can TURN IT OFF

Yet you don't realize it's exactly the same as cleric, but the recast is seconds? You can turn on cleric anytime. You can only turn it off after the 6 seconds after you turn it on. Also, bard was my first class to 50 in 2.0 so yeah....

[Vespar]

Regardless, 6 seconds then is short enough that I dont notice it. But 15 seconds is a big deal. Also, what class you played @ 50 in 2.0 means little now. Besides you are in a thread discussing how level 52-60 BARDS play and your not even a level 52-60 bard. This thread didnt say anything about BLM. If you are unhappy with BLM then start a thread and gripe about BLM in there.

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Regardless, 6 seconds then is short enough that I dont notice it. But 15 seconds is a big deal.

6 seconds is a big deal as when it matters, you probably just killed someone. Also no emergency lustrate in cleric anymore so...

[Vespar]

6 seconds is a big deal as when it matters, you probably just killed someone. Also no emergency lustrate in cleric anymore so...

While I will rescind that I was wrong about the removal of cleric stance (ie the six seconds, which isnt all that noticeable) we are discussing BARD not BLM and healer. 15 second recast time to be able turn off WM/GB is quite a while. It;s more than twice the six seconds to turn off clerics....

But I have to ask, why are you in here griping about BLMs. This thread was discussing the changes to bard, not BLM....

[Raiker]

Yet you don't realize it's exactly the same as cleric, but the recast is seconds? You can turn on cleric anytime. You can only turn it off after the 6 seconds after you turn it on. Also, bard was my first class to 50 in 2.0 so yeah....

Gonna leave this here for you:

Cleric Stance: Level 6. Cast Time = Instant, Recast time = 6 seconds.
Swaps current INT and MND attribute ratings, while increasing potency of attack magic by 10% and reducing potency of healing magic by 20%. Effect ends upon reuse. Cannot be used in PvP areas.

Wanderer's Minuet: Level 52. Cast Time = Instant, Recast time = 15 seconds.
Increases damage dealt by 30% while ceasing auto-attack and adding cast time to all archer and bard weaponskills.
Can be used with other songs. Effect ends upon reuse.

Cleric Stance at level 6 (beginning of the game) = Healing potency reduced, attack potency increased. No other effect to the job in question.

Wander's Minuet level 52 (Heavensward, post 50, ass load of endgamers) = 30% Increase to all damage; effects on the job, no auto attacks and added cast bar to a job that once had none.

You're a 50 bard, you have no clue what they're going through; the fact it was your first class to 50 is irrelevant. My first class to 50 was bard too, then I leveled summoner, and warrior, and blackmage, and ninja, and dragoon, and whitemage, and all my crafters / gathers to 50 back in 2.0 as well. I'm not expert cause I got those jobs to 50, I was just bored.

Logical fallacy = logical fallacy.