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    Oh that's easy, Urianger, that traitorous backstabbing SOAB. Dangle him in front of a fat chocobo.

    The ending of the ARR story arc was very gut wrenching for me, I really liked most of the Scions, so after all the struggles they had been through to be rewarded like that... ouch, really just ouch.

    That aside, good story can only exist when a storyteller knows when he must kill his own children, whereas bad story teller has every important character walking around in an eternal eggshell. Not too far into the HW story yet but hope the rumors about them undoing the ending of ARR aren't all true..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalamari View Post
    Oh that's easy, Urianger, that traitorous backstabbing SOAB. Dangle him in front of a fat chocobo.

    The ending of the ARR story arc was very gut wrenching for me, I really liked most of the Scions, so after all the struggles they had been through to be rewarded like that... ouch, really just ouch.
    On that note, Uriange didn't seem to be too happy to be there. And it seemed like even from Elidibus' perspective, what ever he asked Uriange to come there for was begrudgingly done of both parts. Yea their tones of voice really didn't seem like they enjoyed the fact they were in each other's company any more than the other did. Thus the (Apparently popular) theory that mister Robe and Mask that's sending us on (Yet anouther) Primal hunt and giving us in spill on the TRUE Eikions is actually Mr. "Emissary" in disguise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kalamari View Post

    That aside, good story can only exist when a storyteller knows when he must kill his own children, whereas bad story teller has every important character walking around in an eternal eggshell. Not too far into the HW story yet but hope the rumors about them undoing the ending of ARR aren't all true..
    But on the other hand if you kill off too many of the characters that people love, and most especially in the core group, you risk people not wanting to know what happens next.

    And from my warrior of lights perspective if she loses many more people who she cares for she is liable to have a complete emotional collapse and die of grief x.x it is already shown very clearly in the dark knight storyline that part of WoL is broken at this point. Any more trauma and what will happen then? DX there needs to be some sunlight on the horizon in the end...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryalandi View Post
    But on the other hand if you kill off too many of the characters that people love, and most especially in the core group, you risk people not wanting to know what happens next.

    And from my warrior of lights perspective if she loses many more loses she is liable to have a complete emotional collapse and die of grief x.x it is already lampshaded in the dark knight storyline that part of WoL is broken at this point. Any more trauma and what will happen then? DX there needs to be some sunlight on the horizon in the end...
    The Scions are the only thing that kept us as from going astray. Think about how different the story would be if Gaius or Eldibis found us before Minfilia did and how different the story would be. If they kill off to many more main characters this early, especially ones like the Scions who the plot depends on for continuation, then they risk the entire story being ignored and the game becoming another "WoW Clone".
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaiser-Ace View Post
    The Scions are the only thing that kept us as from going astray. Think about how different the story would be if Gaius or Eldibis found us before Minfilia did and how different the story would be. If they kill off to many more main characters this early, especially ones like the Scions who the plot depends on for continuation, then they risk the entire story being ignored and the game becoming another "WoW Clone".
    I typed that out horribly.. ew, yay edit button. post limit making me re-do it a second time is frustrating... threw me off, fixed it.

    And i would like to think the warrior of light would have done well on his/her own, you do alot of good before the Scions get a hold of you (one of the things that gets their attention in fact is your drive to help people.) But losing them all I think would most certainly break the Warrior of light pretty horribly. You need people to help shoulder burdens like the one our characters carry or they will simply be crushed under the weight
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryalandi View Post
    I typed that out horribly.. ew, yay edit button. post limit making me re-do it a second time is frustrating... threw me off, fixed it.

    And i would like to think the warrior of light would have done well on his/her own, you do alot of good before the Scions get a hold of you (one of the things that gets their attention in fact is your drive to help people.) But losing them all I think would most certainly break the Warrior of light pretty horribly. You need people to help shoulder burdens like the one our characters carry or they will simply be crushed under the weight
    But who told us anything of the Primals and the Mother Crystal? What if we went around Eorzea being told Primals are just false Gods that need to be destroyed along with their followers, the mother crystal was an Evil Parasite that is preventing the "True God" from bringing an eternal era of peace, And that the twelve were just false images that people pretend are gods for political power? Then we're told the key to Zodiark's revival, Destroying the Primals permanently, and bringing an eternity of prosperity with no more suffering was to use the Echo to Aid the empire and revive the Ascian God. If we were told all of that with our having met the Scions and becoming Friends with the Grand Company Alliance, who's side would you be on?

    To this day Gaius van Baelsar's words in the Praetorium haunt me. Because I've seen my self how he may very well have been right.
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    if you really want to get down to what the game actually says, there is no "Head Scion". It's a coalition between the Path of the Twelve and The Circle of Knowing. Neither of which had a definitive leader either. (Although Louisoix pretty much founded both)

    But there's a lot more reason to kill Antagonist plot wise than Protagonists.

    If Lahabrea keeps coming back, and coming back, and coming back, and coming back, what happens in 6.0 After the Ascian plot line is over and he's STILL coming back? He gets reduced to a joke antagonist that's not a treat as much as an annoyance.

    What happens if we just kill all of the Scions and leave the WoL to go solo? The plot ends because we have no idea what to do with out them. That's the curse of being a "Silent Protagonist". The plot is carried by our interaction with our allies and enemies not OUR actions in and of them selves.
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